SSM Plebiscite

[kruddler]

I am genuinely interested.
You are saying that traditionally marriages have been same sex?
I know that certainly going back to ancient Greece, Egypt, the Middle East etc that it was very clear that Same Sex unions were completely acceptable.
I was always generally of the belief that whilst this was the case, generally a relationship would be between an older and younger male and the relationship would almost be one of mentor and mentee. I also believe that these were not actually "official unions" and that in these cases the older man would also have a wife.

Now I don't claim to be an expert or even someone reasonably well read on the topic at all, so if that is not true, then more than happy to hear otherwise and that is the type of information that should be the information used to help persuade.

That is the type of sensible discussion that could have an impact, however name calling certainly won't.

No, well not from what i heard, but as you pointed out it could have been possible.

I was only half listening, but i believe the debate centered around the rights of marriage have always been the same and should never change.
IIRC, it used to be ok to marry a 16yo. Obviously now, that is no longer the case.
I think there was a couple other variations along the same lines.

Essentially the debate of 'You can't change what a marriage represents as its always been the same' was debunked because it was an ever shifting landscape that has indeed been changed previously.

Changing it to include same sex is the next incarnation of it, just like the change to remove 'kids' from it was previously.