SSM Plebiscite

[mateinone]

@MIO...

Been waiting for that argument to be raised.

I wouldn't have chosen incest exactly, perhaps multiple wives. I noticed you later included the term adult in there....that crosses off another alternative. All of which are 'right' and 'wrong' depending, basically, on which country you grew up in.

Its a valid argument on each individual basis. Like you said though, it should not be used as scaremongering tactics because one does not lead to the other.

In regards to the human rights issue...
In this country what is being proposed is an extension of what is currently legal.
All other connotations are not.

I think that is the major difference.

In other countries it might be different, but we have no say in that.

I just read this now Kruddler, but you will see I also used multiple wives in my latest post.

The bit I bolded is extremely interesting.
Marrying a second wife is an extension of being allowed to marry one right?
Marrying your brother/sister etc is an extension of being able to currently marry a consenting adult isn't it?

But this isn't about law, it is about Human Rights many are saying and so a law being part way there.. (ie is not illegal to be in a same sex marriage) doesn't really enter the equation if this is about all human's right to determine who they want to legally commit to.

I said consenting adults, to completely cut out any nonsense around child exploitation which is something the NO campaign has previously (perhaps this time also) used as an argument against Same Sex relationships.

It completely detracts from the hypothetical situation in any case which is.

Why is it okay to say NO to one relationship and not another, if it is between 2 (or more) consenting adults.

So again, because I know someone somewhere only half reads.

If I HAD to vote YES or NO to SSM, I would absolutely vote YES.
If I could voluntarily vote YES or NO to incestuous relationships I would vote NO
If I could voluntarily vote YES or NO to polygamous marriages, I would not vote
If I HAD to voluntarily vote YES or NO to polygamous marriages, I would vote YES.

I am generally for people's right to self determine and this includes their life choices, as long as others are not exploited.

But you see, I am okay with a discussion being held in a rational manner on any of these topics and with someone having the right to an alternate view and that is what the NO campaign is not doing.

They have NO more/less right (from what I consider a Human Rights perspective) to happiness than a man or women in love with multiple people. Or a brother and sister or 2 sisters or 2 brothers etc etc or a man and a woman.

However we live in a society driven by laws and as the community evolves, so to do the laws.
I agree the community should now be at the stage where an rational & understanding debate can be had to ensure that the laws we live under are supporting the entire community. That doesn't always mean giving each person what they want either.
I think we live in a society that is ready to not only accept, but embrace people's right to decide in this particular instance.

However what is being shown is the opposite of this. People campaigning so vigorously are not doing so in a legitimate fashion, they are undeniably acting as bigots. It isn't up for debate, it is as clear as day. Not only that, but the example I provide show that they are full of hypocrisy, picking and choosing which relationships they support.


My only stance on this continues to be.
This is a democratic country and is one of the great places in the world to live.
Like a lot of places it has taken a while to embrace all cultures and lifestyles, but I am glad to say that I have seen massive changes of acceptance since I was a young boy.
This has happened because people have changed the way they think.
This has happened because people have become educated to think of the hurt they were doing.

Trust people to make the right decisions, trust people to have the right conversations and to voice their concerns without being drowned out in a sea of hate.
People have concerns and they feel they have no right to have their concerns aired and their worries alleviated through sensible discussion.

This vote looked like a "lay down misère" at the beginning and I read somewhere today the support for the "Yes" campaign is now down to 55%.
This could become a Brexit or a Trump vote and if it does it will be because the community wasn't engaged correctly.
It was stomped on, it was belittled, it was hated... All the same feelings that many of those within the Gay & Lesbian community have themselves been subjected to.

Again I think this whole campaign reflects poorly on Australia