Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy

[PaulP]

I think the problem is as number 1 picks we expect them to be elite and in Murphy's case he was earlier in his career. We just have to accept them as B+ players or ship them out.

That's true - despite the protestations of some on here, neither of them could have possibly flimflammed so many different regimes and senior coaches over more than 10 years. They've had Pagan, Ratten, Malthouse, Barker and Bolton, and neither has ever been dropped to the 2's, neither has ever been put up for trade, neither has ever had their effort or endeavor or professionalism called into question. I don't believe they could have survived under such circumstances if they didn't have something to offer.

Whilst they're not of the calibre of Judd, neither are 95% of blokes that have played the game. It seems churlish to pan them for the club's broader failings.