Trumpled (Alternative Leading)

[PaulP]

Why? Because the media tells you that you are better off with the establishment?

Please tell me what trump has done in the last 5 months since taking office that has effected you in a negitive way?

Are you serious ?

[DJC]

Why? Because the media tells you that you are better off with the establishment?

Please tell me what trump has done in the last 5 months since taking office that has effected you in a negitive way?

Trump is the establishment  :

As for what he's done that's had a negative effect on me, how about:
1. Bombing the Syrian Air Force.
2. Praising the North Korean dictator.
3. Sharing secret information with the Russians.
4. Weakening environmental protection.
5. Weakening heritage protection.
6. Demeaning women.
7. Making the world a more dangerous place.
8. Promoting racism and discrimination.
9. Jeopardising the economy.
10. Bastardising the English language.

[DJC]

As the punchline to a classic joke goes, "Don't call me 'Freckles' and where were you when the sh1t hit the fan?"

"One of the problems that Trump created for himself in removing Jim Comey is that he dramatically increased the list of things that Jim Comey is now allowed to talk about."

Another example of how the Orange Emperor lacks the capacity and is ill-prepared to be POTUS.

[Thryleon]

Whatever one may think of the establishment, voting as an FU to them is dopey. Just throwing votes away without any knowledge or care about the policies, consequences etc. If any Yank thinks they are better off with Trump than HC, well, there's not much to say to that.

I'm not sure I agree with this.

The vote for trump was more of a vote against Hillary IMHO.

It does send a message, and does achieve something.  Give us better candidates.

4 years of pain for hopefully better standards moving forward.  One thing is certain.  No one will want this outcome ever again.

[PaulP]

I'm not sure I agree with this.

The vote for trump was more of a vote against Hillary IMHO.

It does send a message, and does achieve something.  Give us better candidates.

4 years of pain for hopefully better standards moving forward.  One thing is certain.  No one will want this outcome ever again.

Fitness for office, ability to lead, actually being a professional politician (as opposed to a professional clown) are all the types of things voters ought be considering when they vote. I never liked Hilary, but she is infinitely more qualified to be President than Trump, and would do a much better job. The big FU is cheap satisfaction that rarely works.

[mateinone]

You are right Paul that being an able and competent politician should be just about the most important factor... A criteria that doesn't gift anyone the role, but can preclude people from it, but I understand how Trump was voted in and the establishment needed a wake up and it is getting it world wide.
Where the governments have become complacent to the needs of the people and the people are saying they won't take it anymore. They won't allow governments to rip up what they have built their lives building.

I think an anti-establishment vote can though serve a real purpose and it might even do that in this case as well, if it doesn't bring down the US in the process, which is a serious possibility.. Or bring the world to war.

Hilary was an awful choice for president, so awful that to many people they would rather take the shake up and turmoil than to have her in the Oval Office. I wouldn't have wanted to vote for her either if I stayed there and I would only vote Democrat.

The perfect scenario is that Trump is impeached or resigns from office soon, before too much damage is done. Someone (anyone sensible) takes over from him to see out the term and both parties take something from this. I hope the Democrats take from it that they need an alternative nominee and the Republicans... well most are inbred so I am not sure they will learn much, but anything is possible.

[flyboy77]

Fitness for office, ability to lead, actually being a professional politician (as opposed to a professional clown) are all the types of things voters ought be considering when they vote. I never liked Hilary, but she is infinitely more qualified to be President than Trump, and would do a much better job. The big FU is cheap satisfaction that rarely works.

She's a crazy neo-con, a war monger. Evil personified. A New World Order type, as was Obama sadly.

That said, Trump now seems to be (largely) playing to the same songbook?

[PaulP]

You are right Paul that being an able and competent politician should be just about the most important factor... A criteria that doesn't gift anyone the role, but can preclude people from it, but I understand how Trump was voted in and the establishment needed a wake up and it is getting it world wide.
Where the governments have become complacent to the needs of the people and the people are saying they won't take it anymore. They won't allow governments to rip up what they have built their lives building.

I think an anti-establishment vote can though serve a real purpose and it might even do that in this case as well, if it doesn't bring down the US in the process, which is a serious possibility.. Or bring the world to war.

Hilary was an awful choice for president, so awful that to many people they would rather take the shake up and turmoil than to have her in the Oval Office. I wouldn't have wanted to vote for her either if I stayed there and I would only vote Democrat.

The perfect scenario is that Trump is impeached or resigns from office soon, before too much damage is done. Someone (anyone sensible) takes over from him to see out the term and both parties take something from this. I hope the Democrats take from it that they need an alternative nominee and the Republicans... well most are inbred so I am not sure they will learn much, but anything is possible.

I liked Bernie Sanders. And whilst i was no Hilary fan, she was at least aware of the significance of office.

If the establishment must be sent a message, this is a pretty severe way of doing it.

[PaulP]

She's a crazy neo-con, a war monger. Evil personified. A New World Order type, as was Obama sadly.

That said, Trump now seems to be (largely) playing to the same songbook?

see my reply #442.

[mateinone]

She's a crazy neo-con, a war monger. Evil personified. A New World Order type, as was Obama sadly.

That said, Trump now seems to be (largely) playing to the same songbook?

That is so off the charts it is not funny...
There is nothing to back up most of that name calling, particularly towards Obama who could hardly be consider a war monger.

I think history would look back actually well on Obama. He won't be remembered as a great president and he won't be remembered as a bad president.
I think he will be remembered as a diplomatic effective president.

Looking at his rankings done by 3 major polls to date that had him listed as an option (2 were during his term in office) show the following average ranking going back over the last 50 years. (Obama was the 44th President, but 43rd individual)
That ranks Obama behind Reagan and Clinton and a little ahead of Bush Senior, with Ford, Carter, Nixon and Bush Jnr a long way behind.
I probably would have ranked him 3rd or 4th myself... Where do you think he stands in that group?

As for Trump... I suspect he will poll as one of the worst 3 presidents in history in every major poll going forward

[table][tr]
[td]President[/td]
[td]Siena
2010[/td]
[td]APSA
2015[/td]
[td]C-SPAN
2017[/td][td]Average[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Nixon[/td][td]30[/td][td]34[/td][td]28[/td][td]30.67[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Ford[/td][td]28[/td][td]24[/td][td]25[/td][td]25.67[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Carter[/td][td]32[/td][td]26[/td][td]26[/td][td]28[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Reagan[/td][td]18[/td][td]11[/td][td]09[/td][td]12.67[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Bush Snr[/td][td]22[/td][td]17[/td][td]20[/td][td]19.67[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Clinton[/td][td]13[/td][td]8[/td][td]15[/td][td]12[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Bush Jnr[/td][td]39[/td][td]35[/td][td]33[/td][td]35.67[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Obama[/td][td]15[/td][td]18[/td][td]12[/td][td]15[/td][/tr][/table]