VFL 2017 Round 3: Northern Blues vs Coburg at Coburg

[blue4life]

The rubbish about the respect he "deserves"... He deserves the respect one human gives another, but outside of that Carlton supporters owe him absolutely NOTHING. He has absolutely impacted our ability to bring in other players due to the size of his contract.

Some criticism is fair enough but some is far fetched.
The only top footballer who has chosen to come to Carlton in the last 10 years has been Sam Docherty, given that very few Carlton supporters regard Thomas as a top footballer.
During that time Jacobs, Waite, Grigg, Betts, Henderson and Tuohy have walked and Gibbs has tried to.
But the reason we can't attract a Dangerfield or Franklin to the club is down to the size Dale Thomas' contract?
Really?

[mateinone]

I am saying, that money talks... In this time of professional football it is a fact.
Paying Daisy his salary mad him 1 of the top 2-3 highest paid players at the club.

That certainly impacted our salary cap, it is ridiculous to image it doesn't. It is fairly simple mathematics.

Of course we will need other elements to get a player in, but Betts wanted less than Thomas was offered..

If Thomas was on 250k a year throughout his years at the club, that would have freed up what about 450-500k a year? The impact to our list would be taking a spot on the list and nothing else.

So having a player on 250k not performing doesn't impact the list, but you can only afford to pay x number of players  an A grade salary, which is what he has been paid and yes that impacts our ability to bring another one in.

[blue4life]

We have to pay 95% of the salary cap regsrdless, so given the state of our list and our woeful results over the last decade it's fair to say that we've had plenty of overpaid and underperformed players apart from Thomas.
I've been disappointed in him along with the rest but I can't see how bagging the crap out of him and booing him at matches is going to help him get to where we'd surely all like him to be.
I was rapt to see him have a big game yesterday and I can't for the life of me understand why any Carlton supporter wants to see him fail.

[LP]

I am saying, that money talks... In this time of professional football it is a fact.
Paying Daisy his salary mad him 1 of the top 2-3 highest paid players at the club.

That certainly impacted our salary cap, it is ridiculous to image it doesn't. It is fairly simple mathematics.

Of course we will need other elements to get a player in, but Betts wanted less than Thomas was offered..

If Thomas was on 250k a year throughout his years at the club, that would have freed up what about 450-500k a year? The impact to our list would be taking a spot on the list and nothing else.

So having a player on 250k not performing doesn't impact the list, but you can only afford to pay x number of players  an A grade salary, which is what he has been paid and yes that impacts our ability to bring another one in.

Not sure were this idea comes from, that you can pay players what you like, they have a players union and the CBA!

If Thomas was on $250K at his age and experience we'd be in big trouble with both the AFL and AFLPA, his base wage is about $370K for that many years of AFL service.

[LP]

Do you have any links to that? Because I find that to be extraordinary. He came here after a pay packet and can't imagine why he would have a trigger that said if he is playing football good enough for 15 games in his last year we get him for 1/2 the next year.

It's been widely discussed in the football media months ago, before the season even started.

The Daisy haters started kicking him before the JLT series even got underway, and then when he failed to dominate in the JLT they went up a level! There is so much rhetoric about him, I suspect if he won a Brownlow they'd claim it was rigged!

But lets face it, we still have lots of posters bagging Murphy despite his stellar start to the season, so I suppose bagging players has become the new black!

On the radio at the weekend Harf made a good point, he couldn't understand Carlton fans bagging Murphy for two clangers out of 30+ disposals. He posed the question, why are they bagging Murphy when Docherty and Simpson are playing at lower efficiency? It's a tell!

Booing Daisy is every bit as undesirable as the booing Ablett Jnr received at the weekend. These blokes aren't knobs who gobbed off and dribbled crap like Goodes, or snippers like Ziebell. They are just hard working footballers who generally go about their business quietly and without fanfare.

[flyboy77]

No, the simple truth (again) is that Daisy fails, consistently, to impact a senior AFL match.

Care to name a game or two when he was in our best 2 or 3. ok then, try best 6 in the last season or four?

What he once was as a player and what he is today are world's apart. Arguably, a few galaxies.

Why you cannot grasp that little fact is quite beyond me.  :o :o

[LP]

No, the simple truth (again) is that Daisy fails, consistently, to impact a senior AFL match.

Care to name a game or two when he was in our best 2 or 3. ok then, try best 6 in the last season or four?

What he once was as a player and what he is today are world's apart. Arguably, a few galaxies.

Why you cannot grasp that little fact is quite beyond me.  :o :o

What you fail to grasp is that his form, his value to the team and his club (Which by the way is Carlton not Collingwood), are not related to either his wage or his past abilities.

All that counts is his most recent effort and his next effort! If he starts taking short steps, isn't working hard or starts potting team-mates then he's done, but he isn't.

Whether he is earning $1M or $370K, when he plays to his current ability he is still clearly in our best 22.

Despite the loss of leg speed and kicking, Daisy's probably the equal of Gibbs at stoppages, which makes him a better stoppage option than Kerridge, E.Curnow, Boekhorst, Armfield, Buckley or Graham.

He runs every bit as hard as anyone in the team, Simpson, Murphy and Kreuzer included.

He shepherds frequently only possibly bettered by Kreuzer.

He chases harder than some if not most of the team, despite many of them being clearly faster across the ground he often passes them in the chase! That irony is not lost on many of us, especially when single minded supporters bag Daisy for being too slow and ignore the faster kid he overtakes in the chase!

Daisy knows where to be and when to be there, he is every bit as valuable to Carlton now as Brock McLean was when he was also bagged by supporters as being done and dusted before he even played a senior game.

[shadesy]

You know he is number 39 LP don't you...

[LP]

You know he is number 39 LP don't you...

Yes, but I won't bend down to Mathieson Mentalities, or as I prefer to call them "The Simpleton Truth!"

[DJC]

Do you have any links to that? Because I find that to be extraordinary. He came here after a pay packet and can't imagine why he would have a trigger that said if he is playing football good enough for 15 games in his last year we get him for 1/2 the next year.

From Jake Niall, Fox Sports, 27 March 2017:

While Thomas has a trigger — believed to be 15 games — that would guarantee him a substantial contract, about half of this year’s $700,000-plus, his management has spoken to the Blues about a possible deal that can avert a weekly discussion about his place in the side.

Perhaps Daisy isn't as mercenary as folk think.  Still, $350,000 odd isn't a bad pay packet for a bloke who is likely to be a depth player.