Where do you think Carlton will finish in 2017?

[Sexybronco]

We'll probably finish bottom two, rusted on supporters like people on this board will keep buttering up but some others will drop off, and we won't be attracting very many new supporters or members that's for sure and certain.
The danger is that a long and painful rebuild will badly affect our long term viability with no guarantee of success, the one bright spot is that if we beat Collingwood in a fortnight they'll self destruct.

The Collingwood game will probably be the first I attend this year, if we beat them there will probably be a public lynching of Buckley. Funny thing is I actually respect Bucks but you live and die by your performances, and he himself placed the noose over his head if they don't make finals. Great game this AFL!!

[PaulP]

The Collingwood game will probably be the first I attend this year, if we beat them there will probably be a public lynching of Buckley. Funny thing is I actually respect Bucks but you live and die by your performances, and he himself placed the noose over his head if they don't make finals. Great game this AFL!!

I have no idea whether he's good or crap at coaching (I've always liked him), but he can be too honest by half. 

[LoveNavy]

How true - it's too early to say whether the list is better. It's easy to say at this stage that last years and this years draftees will mean we have a better list in another 2 years time, but we just don't know.

When you look at the list the problem is that the 12/13/14 drafting and trading is a train wreck, and we therefore have very few guys with 40-60 games experience who a solid AFL footballers. Doc and Crippa are it really. We have a massive hole in the middle of the list, and you can't lose experience like Tuohy, Jamo, Walks and Hendo and replace them with kids and hope to get the same results in the short term. You are likely to go backwards.

In a perfect world 4-5 of Boek, Whiley, Tutt, Jones, KJ, Gorringe, DVR, Menzel, Temay, Graham, Giles, Holman, Everitt, Smith, Dick, Foster would have developed into solid players who contributed strongly week to week - even that would be a 33% strike rate. Instead we got almost nothing out of that cohort, so we now have to keep playing White, Casboult, Armfield and Daisy because we have nothing better. And we have to keep blooding a high proportion of players with under 25 games experience and pray we find some diamonds in that group.

Indeed. Errors were the rule. Successful drafting the exception. Add in the shinanagins of the board et al. And you write off almost a decade of development.

Next chapter is now in draft form (no pun intended ^-^). We all share the hope that our club get it right this time. My faith is steadfast and I back the youngsters in.

My Edit. I still have us bottom 4. We'll have a patch here and there where our ducks align and the opposition are off. Mostly though, we have 23 chances to work through our list decisions come year's end. We have opportunities to play the youngsters together. To build the bonds that will become the foundation of our future success.

[flyboy77]

but surely the problem is in the development of players, once on the list, not the drafting?

[LoveNavy]

No doubt fb.
A very complex set of factors. Not only drafting, but some of it starts there.

[Sexybronco]

I have no idea whether he's good or crap at coaching (I've always liked him), but he can be too honest by half.

Thing is, if Bucks fails, then Eddie should be right in the spotlight with him as this was the succession plan he orchestrated.

[Amers]

I was hopeful of finishing somewhere from 10th-14th.

If we keep playing the kids as often as we have been in the 1st 5 rounds I reckon we will end up bottom 4.

I really really don't want to win another wooden spoon....

[cimm1979]

Last .

[PaulP]

Thing is, if Bucks fails, then Eddie should be right in the spotlight with him as this was the succession plan he orchestrated.

You would think so, but he's pretty powerful, and I can't see him relinquishing that power too easily. Whether the rest of the club believes he has to go, and whether they have the balls and power to push him out is another matter.

As a way of avoiding a whole lot of media nonsense, and a way of avoiding the typically ugly exits senior coaches make, I like the idea of a succession plan. Maybe at the Pies, the individuals involved are the problem ? Paul Roos has made it work at two different clubs.

[Thryleon]

That's because roos had had enough of being the senior coach and wanted to hand over the reigns.

You force a succession plan on anyone and they won't like it.

It's effectively training your replacement to do your job most likely before you believe your time is up.

At Collingwood it made no sense to pull that reign at that time.  First flag won, finals series looming, minor premiership in reach and a fairly good chance at the flag again.  They should have postponed it a couple of years.