Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy

[Spanner_smf2_import2]

They are number 1 picks so they can't do no wrong. They also play for Carlton and therefore should be placed in a cocoon and molly-coddled to protect their fragile existence and egos.

It's about time they're called out for what they are. Over paid hacks.

It just goes to show you how good Judd really was in carrying these two loafers. Now it's poor Cripps' turn and I really find that appalling that two of the most senior players at the club are climbing on the back of Cripps (who's what, 21 years old??) and asking him to carry the load.

[Micky0]

Murph works his guts out and Whilst I agree Gibbs seems
To be lacklustre at times he is also one of our most skillful players.

We all think we know everything watching these guys play once a week but obviously not - the club would not have stayed with Murph as captain and Gibbs in the leadership group if they weren't worthy of it.

[Micky0]

Do yourself a favour to get out of last nights funk

Turn on Vhannel 7 the NBs are winning against Willie who they haven't beaten in three years.

Cunningham McKay Graham Jones Boekhorst Smedts all playing well - get some positivity into yourself  ;D

[Gointocarlton]

The fact that they turn it over or put team mates under pressure, and the effect it has on the group (ie the young ones expect more from their leaders) is fair game I reckon. Heck, Simmo even turned to Murph with an evil stare after one of the turnovers. I understand last night was not a good night at all, but the criticism of the leaders/more experienced players though is somewhat warranted. In Murphs and Simmon Capt and V Capt acceptance speeches on CFC TV, they both stated the accountability would go both ways.

[kruddler]

Its funny. Pagan was mentioned a couple of times after the match and BANG. Spanner shows up.

It's like Beetlejuice by proxy.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Take it easy folks...Spanner is venting and while being colourful has probably just said what some supporters are thinking... those supporters who have had enough of us being a bottom club and looking for some answers.....FWIW I think Murphy has been good this season and Gibbs serviceable in most games..
Are they great No 1 Picks....No....low impacting players who can be very good but not in the elite category ie Judd, Ablett, Dangerfield, Mitchell, Fyfe. Martin etc
Does that mean I would trade them out?..Yep...Right offer and they are both on their way....neither will be part of our next top 4 finals team IMO and we need to roll the dice
while they still have value....

[cookie2]

Take it easy folks...Spanner is venting and while being colourful has probably just said what some supporters are thinking... those supporters who have had enough of us being a bottom club and looking for some answers.....FWIW I think Murphy has been good this season and Gibbs serviceable in most games..
Are they great No 1 Picks....No....low impacting players who can be very good but not in the elite category ie Judd, Ablett, Dangerfield, Mitchell, Fyfe. Martin etc
Does that mean I would trade them out?..Yep...Right offer and they are both on their way....neither will be part of our next top 4 finals team IMO and we need to roll the dice
while they still have value....

+1

[PaulP]

Take it easy folks...Spanner is venting and while being colourful has probably just said what some supporters are thinking... those supporters who have had enough of us being a bottom club and looking for some answers.....FWIW I think Murphy has been good this season and Gibbs serviceable in most games..
Are they great No 1 Picks....No....low impacting players who can be very good but not in the elite category ie Judd, Ablett, Dangerfield, Mitchell, Fyfe. Martin etc
Does that mean I would trade them out?..Yep...Right offer and they are both on their way....neither will be part of our next top 4 finals team IMO and we need to roll the dice
while they still have value....

Good players need to be surrounded by other good players to really show their wares. We've seen this with Betts.

[Spanner_smf2_import2]

Its funny. Pagan was mentioned a couple of times after the match and BANG. Spanner shows up.

It's like Beetlejuice by proxy.

Why is it when a player or players are critised all the politically correct brigade come running? It's like I've directly insulted your mother.

FFS, my take on it is they're hacks. You don't have to agree, but I find it amazing that people like you are so accepting of mediocrity. But hey, whatever rocks your boat...

[DJC]

Why is it when a player or players are critised all the politically correct brigade come running? It's like I've directly insulted your mother.

FFS, my take on it is they're hacks. You don't have to agree, but I find it amazing that people like you are so accepting of mediocrity. But hey, whatever rocks your boat...

If you think Murphy and Gibbs are the problem you've got rocks in your head  :

They may not meet your ideal footballer criteria but they are both highly rated by the different coaching panels they've played under, their peers and opposition clubs.

By all means have a crack if you think they're not performing to whatever standards you think they should be but don't attack them or any other Carlton player personally.  Leave that to Richmond supporters.