2017 Round 4 : Post Game thread - Carlton V Gold Coast

[flyboy77]

Spose your'e right Shawny and I fully understand there 9 kids playing. I guess what I was trying to say then I am not seeing the intensity from Charlie that the other kids have shown, but as I said in my post, its probably due to the facts that he is just a big kid and the effects of the GF are still not out of his system. Just needs time and decent run at it (which he is getting).

I gather he's still growing too?

That never helps....

[LP]

Exactly....9 games. Add in a few injuries, glandular fever as well. And people are disappointed with certain parts of his game.

I was shouted down on these forums when I wrote that it might be 2018 before C.Curnow is fully clear of the effects of glandular fever. One year to get over it and another year to catch up on what he missed is completely reasonable and not beyond comprehension.

Next year is a big year for C.Curnow and H.McKay!

[Gointocarlton]

Just watched the highlights package on the CFC website. What a horrible 5 minutes we played in the 3rd (from 9:20 to go to approx 4:30 to go). We went from 49 a piece to 31 points down. We actually won the last qtr by a goal (5.3 to 4.3).

[LoveNavy]

I raised curnow pre-game as a bit of a lucky inclusion as his form is not that flash. More than happy for the club to keep picking him but he'd want to put in some better performances to avoid being dropped.

I thought he took a small step forward on sat night. Missed those goals but at least he had a couple of shots. Good to see.

Polson needs a game... tap on the shoulder for Daisy.

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[townsendcalling]

Just watched the first half for the first time. We shoulda been 4 up at half time! (Shoulda, woulda, coulda!!)

[DJC]

I was shouted down on these forums when I wrote that it might be 2018 before C.Curnow is fully clear of the effects of glandular fever. One year to get over it and another year to catch up on what he missed is completely reasonable and not beyond comprehension.

Next year is a big year for C.Curnow and H.McKay!

That's because your opinion on the effects of glandular fever is nothing more or less than your own belief.  Some of us rely on practical experience and medical literature.

Generally, folk who contract glandular fever as adults take longer to get over it than do teenagers.  If Charlie was still suffering from the after effects of glandular fever, he wouldn't be suiting up for the NBs, let alone the seniors.

Charlie's problem is that he is being challenged in the unfamiliar role of midfielder.  He should do better if he was able to focus on being a lead up forward.

[LP]

That's because your opinion on the effects of glandular fever is nothing more or less than your own belief.  Some of us rely on practical experience and medical literature.

My opinion is formed by first hand experience.

And you mean health authorities like the UK NHS;

Prolonged fatigue. More than 1 in every 10 people with glandular fever will experience prolonged fatigue, which lasts for six months or more after the initial infection. ... This is a poorly understood condition that causes persistent fatigue and a range of other symptoms, such as headaches and joint pain.

Now I'm no medical genius. But it seems fair to me if posters and experts freely claim missing a pre-season with injury rehab affects a player in their subsequent football season, then having a dose of glandular fever is certainly the equivalent of a pre-season interrupted by rehab and should have equal effects on performance. I can't see how these experts and posters can excuse one form of pre-season interruption and blame the other without being two-faced!

Finally, Charlie came to Carlton as an elite athlete, a kid who could run the pants off opponents and do so with considerable ease. If I recall on his first attempt he finished high in time trials, equivalent to his AFL seasoned brother. That is a great sign for a young player, it not only declares aerobic capacity but work ethic because you obviously don't get that sitting on the couch. So he still has that in him, and if he maintains the work ethic it will return. But at the moment he can barely beat a pumpkin vine off the pitch and wouldn't have enough breath left to even try and blow out a candle! That is not the Charlie Curnow we recruited, if it wasn't the Glandular Fever what is the reason for it?

[Gointocarlton]

That's because your opinion on the effects of glandular fever is nothing more or less than your own belief.  Some of us rely on practical experience and medical literature.

Generally, folk who contract glandular fever as adults take longer to get over it than do teenagers.  If Charlie was still suffering from the after effects of glandular fever, he wouldn't be suiting up for the NBs, let alone the seniors.

Charlie's problem is that he is being challenged in the unfamiliar role of midfielder.  He should do better if he was able to focus on being a lead up forward.

I reckon there would be more pressure on young kid playing in our fwd line than in our midfield given the scrutiny our fwd line has gotten over the years and still gets.

[Thryleon]

My opinion is formed by first hand experience.

And you mean health authorities like the UK NHS;
Now I'm no medical genius. But it seems fair to me if posters and experts freely claim missing a pre-season with injury rehab affects a player in their subsequent football season, then having a dose of glandular fever is certainly the equivalent of a pre-season interrupted by rehab and should have equal effects on performance. I can't see how these experts and posters can excuse one form of pre-season interruption and blame the other without being two-faced!

Finally, Charlie came to Carlton as an elite athlete, a kid who could run the pants off opponents and do so with considerable ease. If I recall on his first attempt he finished high in time trials, equivalent to his AFL seasoned brother. That is a great sign for a young player, it not only declares aerobic capacity but work ethic because you obviously don't get that sitting on the couch. So he still has that in him, and if he maintains the work ethic it will return. But at the moment he can barely beat a pumpkin vine off the pitch and wouldn't have enough breath left to even try and blow out a candle! That is not the Charlie Curnow we recruited, if it wasn't the Glandular Fever what is the reason for it?

This is the part that doesn't make a lot of sense.

There is no disputing that glandular fever can knock people about.

However, Charlie was an elite athletic person from an elite athletic family prior to Glandular Fever, and whilst the ongoing effects of it, may have really knocked him about it has just ticked on 12 months since it hit him.

I have no doubt that the recovery time can be great, but it would be greater for a person who wasnt an elite athlete to begin with, as they would have a strong fitness base to return to.

We don't know if he has suffered any other ill effects in the process of his recovery.

I would imagine that 12 months on, he would likely be back to fairly similar levels of fitness that he had prior to.  At the moment, he is not really showing any of that.

[Pratty]

G'day guys...Happy Easter!

Would have loved the win, but gee how good was it to see the young blokes yet again stand up, improve and do more during an AFL game?

How good was young Zac Fisher?

Bring in Cam Polson this week for Daisy Thomas.

I know I got shot down from all corners a couple of weeks ago when I suggested to play the kids - but look how good they've been. The selection of Tom Williamson and Zac Fisher, along with keeping guys like Harry Macreadie, Jarrod Pickett and Charlie Curnow in the AFL team, shows Bolton is thinking along the same lines. Gotta play the kids. Good to see young Curnow do better. Why would you play him in the VFL right now? Crazy! Get AFL games into him early, and others.

I cannot see why anyone would want the likes of the tried and tested, and failed, 'mature bodies' in Thomas, Kerridge, Palmer, etc to play instead of the kids if you had the choice between the two. Bolton is doing the right thing.

I'd be getting games into the likes of Cuningham, Jaksch, Gallucci and McKay soon also.