2017 Rd 2 Pre Game Panic Carlton vs Melbourne

[DJC]

Agree...I see CC as a mid who can play forward and we need another big body around the footy, he also seems to need a bit of warming up in the games I have seen.
Can look lethargic and I reckon a bit more early action is what he needs to fire up...

Charlie may become a midfielder but he's not one now.  I reckon he should play as a lead up forward until he's mastered that role.  Once he's achieved that, he can be set a new challenge.

At the moment he's neither a forward or a midfielder and I think he should be given the opportunity to settle in to one position - perhaps with the odd change up if he's not getting into the game.

[blue4life]

So, White and Casboult get another game, Armfield too maybe.
We must have bugger all in the VFL.

[Pratty]

Charlie may become a midfielder but he's not one now.  I reckon he should play as a lead up forward until he's mastered that role.  Once he's achieved that, he can be set a new challenge.

At the moment he's neither a forward or a midfielder and I think he should be given the opportunity to settle in to one position - perhaps with the odd change up if he's not getting into the game.

I'm not concerned if he's a mid, forward or back. To start him in the guts is to change it up for him, and the team. Unleash him and give him the challenge/opportunity to get the ball rolling for us this week.

[LP]

I dont want to put the moz on him but he seems to get hurt easily for a bloke his size.

I agree.

At the moment Charlie Curnow's strength and durability for midfield work aren't up to scratch, that makes him a liability in the midfield which causes the the other mids to get overloaded. If my sources are correct it could be another season or two before his aerobic capacity / endurance fully recovers from having glandular fever.

If he isn't up to speed this has an effect on those around him. Once you rely on one or two doing the bulk of the work you get blokes breaking down, I don't want Cripps breaking down because we want a kid to get a glimpse of the big time!

Further is Melbourne the side you want to play dumpling mid-fielders against? (When I say dumpling it has nothing to do with Curnow's build) Blokes like Lewis, Viney and Jones have him comfortably covered and will do some real damage to the kid.

The only conditions that are not negotiable for a midfielder are physical conditioning and work ethic. Charlie might have the work ethic, but if he isn't physically up to competing it's better that he stays clear and lets the big boys play.

[laj]

So, White and Casboult get another game, Armfield too maybe.
We must have bugger all in the VFL.

Casboult has to back up ruck. White, no need to play him now. Prefer to play McKay.

[blue4life]

Casboult has to back up ruck. White, no need to play him now. Prefer to play McKay.

Casboult's just as hopeless as a ruckman as he is as a forward but he and White are both named in the 18 so they are both playing.
I honestly can't see the point in persevering with blokes who we know aren't good enough and never will be, even if some of the kids aren't quite ready surely getting games and experience into them is a better move than going along with the plodders.
I don't buy the line that losing heavily destroys the kids' confidence and scars them, if they're any good their character will get them through and if not there's nothing lost.
It looks as though we've given up on Jaksch if he can't get a game in Sunday's side.

[laj]

Casboult's just as hopeless as a ruckman as he is as a forward but he and White are both named in the 18 so they are both playing.
I honestly can't see the point in persevering with blokes who we know aren't good enough and never will be, even if some of the kids aren't quite ready surely getting games and experience into them is a better move than going along with the plodders.
I don't buy the line that losing heavily destroys the kids' confidence and scars them, if they're any good their character will get them through and if not there's nothing lost.
It looks as though we've given up on Jaksch if he can't get a game in Sunday's side.

He's not. He actually rucked well last week. He's the only one of our back up ruckmen that can do anything around the ground. Plus we have no other back up ruckman we have right now.

[Jeffy38]

So no changes?

Thomas, white both named....

[DJC]

I'm not concerned if he's a mid, forward or back. To start him in the guts is to change it up for him, and the team. Unleash him and give him the challenge/opportunity to get the ball rolling for us this week.

He was unleashed in the midfield last week and was like a lost dog. If he is to be a midfiel.der, he needs to learn how to play there.  I'd prefer to see him gain confidence in a role that he understands and can play well now.

[blue4life]

He's not. He actually rucked well last week. He's the only one of our back up ruckmen that can do anything around the ground. Plus we have no other back up ruckman we have right now.

Richmond's rookie ruckman shoved him out of the way, grabbed the ball and kicked a goal from a boundary throw in as easy as shelling peas, he's hopeless.
I'd sooner run Rowe as the second ruck like we did early with O'Hailpin when he was playing back, at least Rowe's not a complete liability when he's not on the ball.
No matter how much wishful thinking we employ about players like Casboult, White, Armfield and Ed Curnow the fact is that they are scrubbers who would never have got a game for us when we had decent sides and wouldn't get a game at any other side in the AFL.
It's just an indication of how far off the pace we are and how far we have still to go, even if every draft pick from last year and this make the grade we'll still be short of three or four good players.
I've still got patience, and I'm happy that we've finally got a coach who isn't a wacker, but I won't be getting excited until we get the scrubber count down to one or two each weekend.

So no changes?

Thomas, white both named....

Thomas named on an extended bench so could be dropped, White will play.

He was unleashed in the midfield last week and was like a lost dog. If he is to be a midfiel.der, he needs to learn how to play there.  I'd prefer to see him gain confidence in a role that he understands and can play well now.

Only the elite midfielders make a mark in their first 10 games, and not even all of them do.
Kouta looked very scrappy early on.