2017 Rd 1 Post Game Analysis: Carlton vs Richmond

[cookie2]

I'm rapt we've got Jack aboard. Watching him run around reminds me of his dad so much and of our glory days - a ray of hope for the future. We need something to cling on to atm.

[townsendcalling]

I'm rapt we've got Jack aboard. Watching him run around reminds me of his dad so much and of our glory days - a ray of hope for the future. We need something to cling on to atm.

The other good thing about having Jack on board, is a kid called Ben!

" (June 2016)  Ben Silvagni, 16, also available for the 2018 draft, will likely play school football until his final TAC Cup year.

He kicked eight goals — five in the first quarter — in a recent Xavier Year 10 game

He already is 195cm — his father is 194cm — and has an exceptional tank.

Ben been receiving coaching from Hawthorn premiership captain Luke Hodge, who is part of the Xavier program.

2023

HF:  J Silvagni        B Silvagni      C Curnow

F:  Pickett              McKay        (Small forward pick up)

[shawny]

For a strong long term list you can't rely solely on early picks becoming stars. Jack being later pick is a positive as his early signs Seem to point to him being a regular AFL player.

Been a long time since we have had a pick outside the top 20 that goes on to be a 200 plus game player. As we hopefully improve in the rebuild we are less likely to snare bunches of early options so your mid and late picks become vital to get the depth you need to be at the top for a sustained time.

All the good teams have several mid to late picks that become very important players.

[townsendcalling]

All the good teams have several mid to late picks that become very important players.

Simmo  45    Denis A 46    Sam Jacobs 72 (ouch!)  Nick Duigan 70    Sam Rowe 44  Jack Silvagni  53  And that's all folks!!

[thrunthrublu]

first dissent i read about bolts

"he going to have to deliver more than footy cliches"

[shawny]

Simmo  45    Denis A 46    Sam Jacobs 72 (ouch!)  Nick Duigan 70    Sam Rowe 44  Jack Silvagni  53  And that's all folks!!

Are you sure?

So the 2017 Carlton list we have 4 players in that bracket?

That in itself sums up where the bulk of our problems are.

Quietly confident we will add Fisher and Mccreadie in a few years.

[townsendcalling]

Are you sure?

So the 2017 Carlton list we have 4 players in that bracket?

That in itself sums up where the bulk of our problems are.

Quietly confident we will add Fisher and Mccreadie in a few years.

Besides a few elevated rookies, yes. 

[slikguy]

first dissent i read about bolts

"he going to have to deliver more than footy cliches"

I agree with that assessment.

As supporters we require progress, not perfection. We should look to build on the 7 wins last year and not
Look to go backwards. How is everyone ok with us finishing on anything less then 8 wins this year.

The world has gone mad!!!

[PaulP]

I agree with that assessment.

As supporters we require progress, not perfection. We should look to build on the 7 wins last year and not
Look to go backwards. How is everyone ok with us finishing on anything less then 8 wins this year.

The world has gone mad!!!

The problem is that people measure "progress" differently, or have different ideas about what constitutes progress. Some people believe that progress is a simple linear movement, where each season we have more wins, better ladder position etc., leading to a flag. Others believe that if we are "on the right path" (whatever that means), then history shows that successful teams (in recent times think Hawks and Cats) will be up and down in the early years of their "rebuild", then stabilize and move on to have sustained success.

It's ok - as Chomksy said, outside of a very limited set of facts and knowledge, humanity doesn't really understand much about anything, so you can have whatever opinion or theory you like. The discussion and the questions are where it's at.

[Lods]

The problem is that people measure "progress" differently, or have different ideas about what constitutes progress. Some people believe that progress is a simple linear movement, where each season we have more wins, better ladder position etc., leading to a flag. Others believe that if we are "on the right path" (whatever that means), then history shows that successful teams (in recent times think Hawks and Cats) will be up and down in the early years of their "rebuild", then stabilize and move on to have sustained success.

It's ok - as Chomksy said, outside of a very limited set of facts and knowledge, humanity doesn't really understand much about anything, so you can have whatever opinion or theory you like. The discussion and the questions are where it's at.

That's true and it's why I don't completely dismiss the possibility we could go backwards in terms of ladder position.
I still feel though that given the list we have this year should be a 'step forward' year.

The real test is how a club holds it's nerve in the down times.
Folk are saying that this time it's different and all parties have bought into the rebuild.....but that's yet to be tested under the pressure of continual poor performance.
We won't know whether we can all stay the course until we feel that pressure.
Some will drop off!
Cracks and criticism will appear.
Are we strong enough to resist those pressures or will the panic button be pressed.
Will some crazy billionaire think they can do a better job and turn the whole thing upside down again.

It's a 'wait and see'...and a testing year.