What are your expectations for 2017?

[flyboy77]

Two things I think most here will agree looking at Daisy 2017 and forward:

1. Based on JLT output, very very unlikely to play the minimum number of games (unless it's less than 5) required to trigger an extra year; and

2. Presuming 1., his departure will free up a lot of money to buy a very good player - one who can actually still play and contribute to team success in a meaningful way for several years.

Nothing against Daisy, but I look forward to the day his retirement (or LTI) is announced and even more when the new recruit is wheeled out.

MM surely did a number on CFC, no one ever forget that....

[LP]

Two things I think most here will agree looking at Daisy 2017 and forward:

1. Based on JLT output, very very unlikely to play the minimum number of games (unless it's less than 5) required to trigger an extra year; and

2. Presuming 1., his departure will free up a lot of money to buy a very good player - one who can actually still play and contribute to team success in a meaningful way for several years.

Nothing against Daisy, but I look forward to the day his retirement (or LTI) is announced and even more when the new recruit is wheeled out.

MM surely did a number on CFC, no one ever forget that....

I believe he's no longer on that big money, so it's a misconception that retiring him is a financial win.

Like Judd in his last year, as I understand it, in 2017 Daisy is playing for a fraction of the cash he was on in his early seasons and if he gets an extension it won't be at the same dollars as his starting wage but an extension of the 2017 rate. They both had front loaded contracts.

I expect one thing for sure from Bolton, fairness, because if the players see he isn't fair he will lose them and his coaching career is shot. Coaches must reward effort, if Daisy puts in the effort he'll be played just like any other player will be played. That is why the Lloyd article is so much bullcrap, you cannot gift players games regardless of effort. Bolton won't disrespect effort, not unless someone at our club is interfering in which case Bolton needs to make sure everybody knows who is pulling the strings.

[Gointocarlton]

I believe he's no longer on that big money, so it's a misconception that retiring him is a financial win.

Like Judd in his last year, as I understand it, in 2017 Daisy is playing for a fraction of the cash he was on in his early seasons and if he gets an extension it won't be at the same dollars as his starting wage but an extension of the 2017 rate. They both had front loaded contracts.

I expect one thing for sure from Bolton, fairness, because if the players see he isn't fair he will lose them and his coaching career is shot. Coaches must reward effort, if Daisy puts in the effort he'll be played just like any other player will be played. That is why the Lloyd article is so much bullcrap, you cannot gift players games regardless of effort. Bolton won't disrespect effort, not unless someone at our club is interfering in which case Bolton needs to make sure everybody knows who is pulling the strings.

If that is happening, we may as well padlock the front doors and hand the keys back as we can't be saved from our own stupidity.

[LP]

If that is happening, we may as well padlock the front doors and hand the keys back as we can't be saved from our own stupidity.

It would be just as stupid not to play someone like Daisy just because we have a kid on the list that we hope fills his spot. Respect the effort, reward players for effort, but the effort must come before the reward.

If we don't want to play the likes of Daisy, then we should do as the Dawks did and offload the older guys.

But we didn't offload those types so I expect we'll play them if they deserve a spot.

[ElwoodBlues1]

That was based off his first game with us. What would turn out to be his kicking issues, wasn't evident from that 1 game. Since then, it's been pretty clear. We've heard his ankle was so bad he had to learn how to walk, run and kick again during his recovery. A player has a bad kick every game. I'm sure Daisy might have had one in that game. Doesn't suggest his kicking would be forever changed.
So the 1 word i changed was 'IS' skilled, to 'WAS' skilled. on the back of what has happened since. The rest still rings true today.

DJC, said that it was only clear since Daisy became what he calls a liability, that i started pumping up his leadership qualities. An attempt by him to rewrite history and make out that i'm trying to save face. I called him out on it as that has been evident since the first game i saw him play. Daisy's leadership qualities has been the major reason i have been pumping him up since day 1.

You wanted to pay 750k a year for leadership abilities?...you look at GC who picked up Barlow for that reason, half the money, is already in their best players every week(JLT series) and getting the footy 30 times
a game...thats what we needed.
Mick gave his lovechild a retirement pension after Collingwood's medicos failed Daisy and ours passed him???....and now we are stuck with a player who cant kick 30m, cant run and who will get a  game every week
due to the large amount of money we are paying him because its too embarassing to have him play for the NB's...
We never learn from our mistakes thats part of the reason we remain down the ladder....

[LP]

You wanted to pay 750k a year for leadership abilities?...you look at GC who picked up Barlow for that reason, half the money, is already in their best players every week(JLT series) and getting the footy 30 times
a game...thats what we needed.
Mick gave his lovechild a retirement pension after Collingwood's medicos failed Daisy and ours passed him???....and now we are stuck with a player who cant kick 30m, cant run and who will get a  game every week
due to the large amount of money we are paying him because its too embarassing to have him play for the NB's...
We never learn from our mistakes thats part of the reason we remain down the ladder....

EB1, besides player development I think the on-field leadership has been the biggest void at our club, what is it worth if we could actually find a player willing to come to us?

I fear that we'll play the youth before they are mentally and physically ready and the lack of leadership will effectively throw them to the wolves. The opposition will damage them permanently from a Carlton perspective, and then when we are tired and frustrated with their lack of progress from those youth we'll trade them out only to watch them become stars in the fresh environment.

Lets not let other ALF clubs make our youth their bitch, lets be smart about managing them!

[cookie2]

You wanted to pay 750k a year for leadership abilities?...you look at GC who picked up Barlow for that reason, half the money, is already in their best players every week(JLT series) and getting the footy 30 times
a game...thats what we needed.
Mick gave his lovechild a retirement pension after Collingwood's medicos failed Daisy and ours passed him???....and now we are stuck with a player who cant kick 30m, cant run and who will get a  game every week
due to the large amount of money we are paying him because its too embarassing to have him play for the NB's...
We never learn from our mistakes thats part of the reason we remain down the ladder....

I don't know the dynamics of the playing group and where Daisy fits in so I'm guessing but I would have thought that we should be fading Daisy out asap this year. His presence is emblematic of a very troubled period in our history and one we need to put behind us immediately. Daisy, unfortunately, is a constant reminder. So, unless he can really add some on field spark and really motivate our young guys - fade him out by maybe just using him as insurance or doing a deal with him to retire early.

[LP]

Daisy, unfortunately, is a constant reminder.

Reminder for who, the players around him or you as a supporter?

If you are writing in respect to the playing group, that seems to contradict official reports that came out of the club in 2015/2016. They seem to indicate Daisy stepped up his off-field presence after his shoulder injury and became a positive influence. I even recall Murphy and Gibbs defending him in the media.

As a supporter what Daisy reminds you of matters very little, and I'd expect the club to ignore it in 2017!

[Pratty]

Bottom line, if Daisy (like all others) isn't good enough to get a game (ie. his form is not good enough) then play someone else. Unfortunately, he ain't no world beater anymore. Would be hoping we expose the likes of Cuningham, Fisher and SPS to see what they have - maybe that's at the expense of Thomas and/or someone else. We'll see.

[ElwoodBlues1]

EB1, besides player development I think the on-field leadership has been the biggest void at our club, what is it worth if we could actually find a player willing to come to us?

I fear that we'll play the youth before they are mentally and physically ready and the lack of leadership will effectively throw them to the wolves. The opposition will damage them permanently from a Carlton perspective, and then when we are tired and frustrated with their lack of progress from those youth we'll trade them out only to watch them become stars in the fresh environment.

Lets not let other ALF clubs make our youth their bitch, lets be smart about managing them!

LP.....GC and WC both went after players ie Barlow and Mitchell to provide on field leadership and in Mitchells case Premiership winning experience......the difference between them and Daisy is they can still get a kick and contribute on the field...Daisy was cooked when we got him, 750K for what we got would get the hirer sacked at most companies....
Dont disagree our youth need leadership and guidance, we just picked the wrong player at the wrong price....you put Sam Mitchell in our team and see what he would do in comparison to Daisy....