JLT game 3

[Boundaryrider]

Seriously a jlt game ... exposure during a soft preseason game isn't going to set anyone back or set anyone up.

[kruddler]

The club has a number of issues - this much we can agree on. Malthouse was, IMO, absolutely was one of those issues. I don't believe Ratts was.

My impression, reading your posts over many years, is that you held Ratts directly accountable for the bad culture that you keep referring to, and that you believed Mick would be instrumental in fixing this "bad" culture. This is what my memory remembers - if that's not right, well then I apologize.

The bold part is right.

I wanted Mick to fix the culture and thought he had enough 'c*nt' about him to force change up and down the hierarchy at the club and enough runs on the board to have the respect required. This was on the back of the rookie coach favourite son who simply didn't have the experience. We were still in "we are carlton f*ck the rest" mode and we needed a culture shock.

I never blamed ratten for the culture.
Denis Pagan however......  >

As i said, i was a fan of Ratten. He did wonders from where he got the club. His only issue was inexperience in both coaching/tactics and inexperience in setting up a club for long term success (partially not his problem, but could have helped).

Ratten as our coach now would be better than Ratten as our coach back then.

[Gointocarlton]

Does every feckin thread need to turn into a Ratten Malthouse Pagan discussion? FFS move on!!!! > > >

[sandsmere]

Does every feckin thread need to turn into a Ratten Malthouse Pagan discussion? FFS move on!!!! > > >

Spot-on Gic.
What the hell has 3 has-been dud coaches got to do with JLT game 3 ????????

[northernblue]

Does every feckin thread need to turn into a Ratten Malthouse Pagan discussion? FFS move on!!!! > > >

I agree, sure It's reasonable and beneficial to study history, but not to poison every thread.
Maybe all new threads should have the swear filter include the terms Pagan, Ratten and Malthouse...

[LP]

Until the club experiences some success this stuff is never going away!

[DJC]

Does every feckin thread need to turn into a Ratten Malthouse Pagan discussion? FFS move on!!!! > > >

I suspect it will until such time as we go into every game with a genuine chance of coming away with the four points.

I haven't watched the game yet but I am a little perplexed by the doom and gloom generated by losing a practice match.  Freo with Sandilands and Fyfe fit and firing is a serious footy side but, apart from hitouts, the statistics indicate closely matched teams.

I guess it will mean over the top celebrations when we beat Richmond in round one 

[Robblues]

Although very disappointed in the last 3 results, it is a point to consider that we are thinking the practise games this year had the same value as previous pre seasons games when there actually was some thing to win? And that this year the club has actually treated them as practise games ?

[kruddler]

Although very disappointed in the last 3 results, it is a point to consider that we are thinking the practise games this year had the same value as previous pre seasons games when there actually was some thing to win? And that this year the club has actually treated them as practise games ?

Whichever way you slice it, nobody goes out to lose these games.

We've lost games against 9th, 10th and 16th from last season (we were 14th) and all of those sides are expected to improve....as is Bombers with their new players back who finished 18th.

I quick ascent up the ladder it looks like not. 

[cookie2]

We still have much work to do on our list IMO before we see significant ladder position improvement, although our performance in R1 may be cause to change that assessment (hopefully).  Looking at our current "senior" players, I would think most of those will have gone and new stars will need to emerge, by whatever means, before we become a really competitive force.

Hopefully I'm proved wrong.