Murphy to lead again in 2017

[PaulP]

That's a most extraordinary interpretation of events.

[DJC]

Malthouse believed he had the expertise in house and he did to a certain degree in some of his assistants. 

My son is a leadership development professional and his offsider is a former AFL coach who got his job partly on the basis of his work with Leading Teams - a very highly regarded organisation.  I can't divulge his name but I have had some interesting insights into what went on at our club.  To say that Malthouse weeded out undesirables is gilding the lily.

Anyway, the discussion is not about Malthouse, it's about how seriously Bolton takes leadership development and I think he is streets ahead of all of our past coaches.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Leading Teams is something I cant get a handle on in terms of results...Geelong attribute their early success in their recent premierships in part to Leading teams yet a club like Melbourne went through the same program and had no success especially in developing leaders etc.
I remember Jason Akermanis writing articles and saying it was a negative experience and only got players offside when they received frank assessments from team-mates....Gary Ablett jr wasnt a fan either and I thought straight away about his father and how he would have coped...
Not sure how Leading teams has evolved in delivering their programs and if they do cater for Individuals like Aker, Ablett etc but it wouldnt be an easy tasks with all the different personalities that go to make up a football club.
I'm of the opinion Leaders are born Leaders rather than created through intense development programs etc...sure you can make them better by training but there is something intrinsic that Leaders have in their makeup that Non Leaders dont IMO...
I dont see Marc Murphy as that natural born leader...

[DJC]

Leading Teams is something I cant get a handle on in terms of results...Geelong attribute their early success in their recent premierships in part to Leading teams yet a club like Melbourne went through the same program and had no success especially in developing leaders etc.
I remember Jason Akermanis writing articles and saying it was a negative experience and only got players offside when they received frank assessments from team-mates....Gary Ablett jr wasnt a fan either and I thought straight away about his father and how he would have coped...
Not sure how Leading teams has evolved in delivering their programs and if they do cater for Individuals like Aker, Ablett etc but it wouldnt be an easy tasks with all the different personalities that go to make up a football club.
I'm of the opinion Leaders are born Leaders rather than created through intense development programs etc...sure you can make them better by training but there is something intrinsic that Leaders have in their makeup that Non Leaders dont IMO...
I dont see Marc Murphy as that natural born leader...

I suspect that's old thinking EB.

Many years ago the green machine tried to make me a leader and came up short.  I remember my guidance officer saying that I readily assumed a leadership role when playing footy or basketball but it wasn't evident when leading men in combat (thankfully only ever with blanks).  Fast forward ten years and the fundamentals of leadership started to take shape.  With training and experience I became a more than competent leader of a diverse and quite challenging team of 50 people; not bad for a shy introvert lacking in self confidence.

I think that many folk have the potential to be leaders but need some work before they can realise that potential.

From what I'm hearing, Murphy is a born leader who has thrived under the leadership development program.  John Murphy wasn't a bad skipper and, whether it's nature or nurture, that seems to have given Marc a head start.

[DJC]

That's a most extraordinary interpretation of events.

That's quite an understatement 

[madbluboy]

Kruddler is spot on. Mick actually started the "reset".

[PaulP]

Clearly the current fashion for fake news and fake reality is sweeping through CSC. 

[kruddler]

Kruddler is spot on. Mick actually started the "reset".

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

I've always been of the opinion that our players have been our major issue. Time and time again their lack of effort and dedication has seen our coaches sacked.

People have been calling Gibbs soft and lazy since he started. Looks disinterested and goes missing too often. He has been one of our leaders at the club, even since the Pagan days. What kind of role model has he been?

Murphy voted in as captain is another questionable choice. Supposedly the club made the call on that one, not the coach - who if rumours are correct, wanted Carrazzo as captain (or was it Simpson?). In any result, Murphy would've been my 3rd choice. I think this stunt by the club was good for marketing, not for the team.

-Waite as our key forward who gets suspended for stupid things each and every year, tried chasing money/years despite having a failing body. Bye.
-Laidler was a solid player who didn't want to add another string to his bow to help him get more game time, cracked the sads mid-season, publicly. See ya later.
-Henderson was a bloke who had a lot of potential, but lost his internal drive and commitment and put in some of the worst performances in final year. Checked out mentally too often. See ya later.
-Yarran had about as much talent as anyone, but playing football seemed to become his second priority.  Clearly evident since his departure from AFL altogether.
-Betts by his own admission was doing the wrong things. He needed a change of scenery to get himself out of the rut he was in.
-Robbo couldn't adjust to the public life of a professional footballer and found himself in trouble repeatedly. So much so that he was almost lost to the AFL altogether. Lions gave him a late second chance.
-Garlett seemed to lose his internal drive that saw him come from sleeping in his car to an AFL rookie playing in his first year. Off-field issues hurt his football which included lying to his club and teammates.


There was also a clear shift in the type of players we were drafting.
I think one year we drafted 4 or so players who were captains of their respective teams. Nick Graham year from memory. There are other examples of players who were kept over others who were delisted which fits the above narrative.

When Malthouse got to the club, i wanted him to go through the place with a broom and weed out the players who didn't want to be there. In his time in charge he got rid of half the list and started shaping it into a list that had the right character on it. Unfortunately that meant we lost a large amount of talent along with it....and the trigger happy Carlton folk couldn't wait to pull the trigger. The external pressure was too great. He'd lost the media, and that led to a loss of support from everyone at Carlton from supporters to the board. At the end of the day he didn't do himself any favours in that regard and he had to go. No issue here.

But still....the groundwork had been done.
White and Armfield types were regulars who, unlike Laidler, were willing to play wherever was best for the team and were doing their role well. This continues to this day and Bolton has ran with it.

No issues with what Bolton has done in terms of leadership, but he was clearly giving a head start with what Malthouse had done.

[Thryleon]

Clearly the current fashion for fake news and fake reality is sweeping through CSC.

I think its pretty hard to argue otherwise.

It wasnt done well, and we have had to clear a few that we recruited under Malthouse, but to quote Carrots "mick gutted the list".

That effectively began our rebuild, like it or hate it.

We have definitely sorted out who wants to be here vs who doesn't as part of that process.

[PaulP]

Hard core Pravda journalists would be envious of some of the propaganda on here.

Malthouse's time at Carlton = nothing priced like something.