Melbourne CBD Incident

[DJC]

Bring back the death penalty, Dupas, Knight, Bryant etc etc...this maniac from a couple of days ago.., sex offenders, drug dealers all gone...or give the Police more licence to open fire on these nutters instead of having to face an inquisition every time they discharge their weapons.

I'm not convinced that bringing back the death penalty is the answer.  However, I think that persons convicted of heinous crimes should forfeit all rights; no ability to take court action, no access to educational opportunities, the Internet, visitors, parole, etc.  Lock them up and throw away the key.

[Gointocarlton]

Bring back the death penalty, Dupas, Knight, Bryant etc etc...this maniac from a couple of days ago.., sex offenders, drug dealers all gone...or give the Police more licence to open fire on these nutters instead of having to face an inquisition every time they discharge their weapons.

Vote EB for PM

[northernblue]

Is NOT voting EB for PM a heinous crime ?
If it is I guess I'll have to vote for him...

[townsendcalling]

In the case of this nondescript, Bryant and Knight, it's simply a matter of the police saying 'We did it in self defense,' and NO ONE would bar an eyelid.

[kruddler]

In the case of this nondescript, Bryant and Knight, it's simply a matter of the police saying 'We did it in self defense,' and NO ONE would bar an eyelid.

No matter how 'right' it is, the cop still has to live with the fact that he's taken a human life. Something that is not easy to deal with.

[sandsmere]

Bring back the death penalty, Dupas, Knight, Bryant etc etc...this maniac from a couple of days ago.., sex offenders, drug dealers all gone...or give the Police more licence to open fire on these nutters instead of having to face an inquisition every time they discharge their weapons.

I am fast becoming a death penalty supporter for some crimes as well.

And before some start screaming " it's not a deterrent ", you don't bring it in as a deterrent but it's a punishment.

[Navy Maven]

I am fast becoming a death penalty supporter for some crimes as well.

And before some start screaming " it's not a deterrent ", you don't bring it in as a deterrent but it's a punishment.

Couldn't agree more. I don't care about the deterrent factor, but the millions of dollars it costs to house these stains on humanity could be better spent. Put a needle in their arm and save us all a lot of money and heartache. 

[JonHenry]

Couldn't agree more. I don't care about the deterrent factor, but the millions of dollars it costs to house this stains on humanity could be better spent. Put a need in their arm and save us all a lot of money and heartache.

While we are at it, why haven't the Apex gang kids been deported?
If they have come in on asylum seeker visa's and committed crimes, surely they should be deported similar to Dustin Martins father.

That would be a big deterrent.
Send three or four home and watch the problem go away.

Save a lot of tax payer dollars and let police get on with other issues.

[Thryleon]

I suspect you're on the right track Thry.  More needs to be done to prevent people becoming a threat to themselves, their families and the general public.

I don't know what the answer is but I suspect that it's not expecting troubled or broken people to look after themselves.

Education DJC.

People are very quick to point out the ills of Religion (to which there are many), however Christ did state to treat others as you want to be treated.  I think if all humans at a baseline followed that one rule, we would live in a much better place for it.

I'm not promoting religion as the answer for anyone who is going to jump on me, although I am a Christian.  Bill and Ted even stated "Be Excellent to each other" if you want to ignore the Christian element, which is fine too.  We all benefit from being Excellent to each other.  Polite, curteous, non judgemental or supportive and list the rest of the positive ways to treat people here. 

The way we live our lives, is often in the negative headspace.  There was a movie called pay it forward, that was quite apt in regards to how people can really impact society positively.

At the end of the day, societal change starts with the individual.

Its the equality debate all over again too.  Simply treat everyone the same (how you would like to be treated in the same circumstances) and there you have it.  No more racism.  No more sexism.  Equality.  True equality. 

The death penalty is simply threatening people with the hell argument.  Some people are self destructive for reasons we cannot understand.  Usually because they were treated poorly to begin with.

[cookie2]

There are many questions and issues to be resolved here including the treatment and accommodation of the mentally ill, the justice and bail system, the acceptable actions of the police in terms of pursuing and apprehending people posing a threat, punishment v. deterrents etc. etc.

While all of this debate takes place and everyone gets comfortable with the eventual outcomes, we need short term measures implemented that keep innocent people as safe as possible whilst they lawfully go about their normal lives on our streets. Obviously safeguards would be needed to avoid the abuse of civil liberties by authorities, but IMO, our right to safe streets is paramount.