RD 7 : Blues V Giants (Pre-Match Pre-Amble)

[Gointocarlton]

Was watching the game tonight and they had Swallow miked up. Was a good insight into the guy. I would love them to mike up Murph next Friday night. I would like o get a real insight into what he is like out on the ground. Just putting it out there.

[cimm1979]

Seems most rational people believe he aint got the cattle and the club's something of a cot case... in fact most rational people seem to believe that sticking with MM is the sensible thing to do. Can't say I agree with it, but that is the overwhelming opinion in the footy fraternity.

Are you talking about the footy media or actual football people?

The media nuffies rarely say the coach has to go, in fact they never do.

They just speculate .

Actual footy people I talk to reckon he's stuck in his ways and unable to adapt to the modern game.

[shadesy]

Competition for spots... It's not exactly a hot competiton.

This is one of our best and most experienced teams. No excuses.

[Vivian]

It's a recipe for success for the future, not the present. Not rocket science.

Sucess in the future can only be possible if a team starts to conduct itself in the way that it wants to be right now. Playing the kids is the mantra of the loser. It says we are not good enough now, so we hope that by gaining experience we will somehow get better. In a team sport that is a recipe for continued poor results. It nurtures an environment where losing in the present is acceptable in the hope that tomorrow will be better.

Know what?  Tomorrow never comes and losing begets losing. And bringing in ill prepared young players to such a mix retards their development. Senior players figure they can coast along as the team is in rebuild mode, and first round picks figure they get a game cause they 'need experience' but never fully grasp the level of commitment required to earn selection on merit. So let's all lose together and explain it away.

The best footy teams (like any succesful team in any walk of life) hate losing and are filthy about it when they do. It's great to learn from mistakes but once losing is acceptable for a team then the rot has set in and it spirals down. And the exchange of a team losing a few games for the gain of getting experience into individuals is a lousy trade off.

Anyway, rant over. Hoping for a good performance against the Giants. If our midfield work hard enough we may get a decent spread and some clean ball forward. We saw a couple of glimpses last week when this happened.

[PassIt2Carrots]

Sucess in the future can only be possible if a team starts to conduct itself in the way that it wants to be right now. Playing the kids is the mantra of the loser. It says we are not good enough now, so we hope that by gaining experience we will somehow get better. In a team sport that is a recipe for continued poor results. It nurtures an environment where losing in the present is acceptable in the hope that tomorrow will be better.

But then there's GWS that proves all that wrong. Losses in the past mean absolutely nothing once those boys get 80+ games into them.

Know what?  Tomorrow never comes and losing begets losing. And bringing in ill prepared young players to such a mix retards their development. Senior players figure they can coast along as the team is in rebuild mode, and first round picks figure they get a game cause they 'need experience' but never fully grasp the level of commitment required to earn selection on merit. So let's all lose together and explain it away.

That is a wishy washy argument based on assumption. Senior players feel they can coast? You're just clutching at straws now.

The best footy teams (like any succesful team in any walk of life) hate losing and are filthy about it when they do. It's great to learn from mistakes but once losing is acceptable for a team then the rot has set in and it spirals down. And the exchange of a team losing a few games for the gain of getting experience into individuals is a lousy trade off.

Once again, GWS proves this wrong. But also, once again you're assuming that teams will constantly lose when they pick the kids. St Kilda and Footscray are two examples in the current season that have bucked the trend, and when you look at our form, we could do not much worse.

Anyway, rant over. Hoping for a good performance against the Giants. If our midfield work hard enough we may get a decent spread and some clean ball forward. We saw a couple of glimpses last week when this happened.

I think we should account for GWS with this side myself, but if we play blokes like Boeky and Nick Graham we can still win and get these young blokes playing together for another game which will be of great importance down the track.

Get Mick away from this list before he does any further damage.

[Thryleon]

Sucess in the future can only be possible if a team starts to conduct itself in the way that it wants to be right now. Playing the kids is the mantra of the loser. It says we are not good enough now, so we hope that by gaining experience we will somehow get better. In a team sport that is a recipe for continued poor results. It nurtures an environment where losing in the present is acceptable in the hope that tomorrow will be better.

Know what?  Tomorrow never comes and losing begets losing. And bringing in ill prepared young players to such a mix retards their development. Senior players figure they can coast along as the team is in rebuild mode, and first round picks figure they get a game cause they 'need experience' but never fully grasp the level of commitment required to earn selection on merit. So let's all lose together and explain it away.

The best footy teams (like any succesful team in any walk of life) hate losing and are filthy about it when they do. It's great to learn from mistakes but once losing is acceptable for a team then the rot has set in and it spirals down. And the exchange of a team losing a few games for the gain of getting experience into individuals is a lousy trade off.

Anyway, rant over. Hoping for a good performance against the Giants. If our midfield work hard enough we may get a decent spread and some clean ball forward. We saw a couple of glimpses last week when this happened.

Yep. Smashed it out of the park.

Carrots, GWS are the exception not the rule. They built a side with the above ethos using many kids to compete for first team football as part of a long term project.

The comparison doesn't work for a team that played finals three years ago and has been where we are before.

[cookie2]

I guess you need to visualise what you want to be and try to practice and strive at all times to achieve that. It should be all consuming. Leads to the conclusion that you should try to avoid losing at all costs, since that's where you don't want to be?

[ItsOurTime]

Carrots, GWS are the exception not the rule. They built a side with the above ethos using many kids to compete for first team football as part of a long term project.

How can they be the exception when the back to back premiers, amongst others, did it?

[PassIt2Carrots]

Yep. Smashed it out of the park.

Carrots, GWS are the exception not the rule. They built a side with the above ethos using many kids to compete for first team football as part of a long term project.

The comparison doesn't work for a team that played finals three years ago and has been where we are before.

Yes the comparison does work. Kids are kids, you either play them for the future or you don't. GWS played them for the future, got smashed many a time but are now building something big which completely contradicts the views of yourself and Vivian, about trying to win games instead of blooding the youth. No Hypothetical will change that.

[Thryleon]

It's not hypothetical.

They built a team with young players whilst trying to win games.

They didn't drop Luke power whilst trying to blood youngsters, and have brought in mature recruits to make sure that spots are earned not gifted.

What you are advocating is quite different and is a hypothetical in itself.

Mind you this exact practice of gifting games to youngsters is exactly what we grumble about when Pagan sacked all our senior players realised his mistake too late tried to recruit some older leaders and the result is the Carlton Football Club as it exists today.

But you think it's going to be okay provided we sack the coach so I understand why this concept doesn't make sense to you.