Trumpled (Alternative Leading)

[flyboy77]

it's over essentially.

trump179, killary 131.

abc precidting trump 286.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Wow!

There was a guy on SEN phone-in earlier, an Aussie, who has traveled widely in the US in the past few years. He was tipping a Trump win based on the huge levels of deprivation and dissatisfaction he claimed to have witnessed. Maybe he has got it right?

There is an old saying Cookie..." a drowning man will cling onto a Serpent"...seems like a few more Americans than expected are clinging onto Trump.....

[Lods]

Counting proceeds as the sun sets ....

They have to...a snake's not dead until the sun goes down!

[mateinone]

As Mav has stated Cookie, the odds are based on Michigan, Florida etc, not on the states already won.
Caifornia etc are almost irrelvant to any odds because they are already marked Blue, if there was a chance they went red it would be al l over.

Has anyone here traveled through rural America?


When you drive through towns they have lost their identity and they are fully corporate. There is no small business in these towns and they consist largely of 2-3 food chains (Wendy's, Taco Bell etc) maybe a Hi-Vee supermarket, a few gas chains and a CVS. if a bit bigger it will have a Wal-Mart. It means a very high percentage of people are working at these chains and living on minimum wage with food stamps and no real way for most to improve their station.

Clinton could win this, but this election is showing that those people are extremely unhappy at present.
The thing is though it smells like a protest vote rather than a vote for anything positive he actually offers.

I am perplexed by this whole election

[mateinone]

it's over essentially.

trump179, killary 131.

abc precidting trump 286.

Only Ohio is big news in that though at present
She has picked up Virginia, which was considered a safe state

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As if on cue...
Clinton now has 209 to 172, but it doesn't change anything

[cookie2]

There is an old saying Cookie..." a drowning man will cling onto a Serpent"...seems like a few more Americans than expected are clinging onto Trump.....

Yep. If (when?) Trump wins this will mean a massive shift in US foreign policy and strategy, from what I know of it, and maybe the end of the US Imperium and its dominance. God knows what will happen domestically.

[Mav]

Seems to the the fall of a civilisation.  The citizens of Rome lost the willingness to preserve Rome's dominance.  As China's power grows and Russia tries to regain its former glory, this is hardly the time for American voters to have a hissy fit.

Still, the odds are that Trump will be more like a belligerent and obnoxious Governor-General while Mike Pence will be more like an Aussie PM who doesn't have to fear a leadership challenge from his own party.  Remember, there was a story that leaked when Trump was sounding out potential running mates that he told John Kasich that he, Kasich, would run the domestic policy while Trump focussed on making America great again.  The bad news is that Pence is a right-wing wingnut beneath his "aw shucks" demeanour.

[PaulP]

As Mav has stated Cookie, the odds are based on Michigan, Florida etc, not on the states already won.
Caifornia etc are almost irrelvant to any odds because they are already marked Blue, if there was a chance they went red it would be al l over.

Has anyone here traveled through rural America?


When you drive through towns they have lost their identity and they are fully corporate. There is no small business in these towns and they consist largely of 2-3 food chains (Wendy's, Taco Bell etc) maybe a Hi-Vee supermarket, a few gas chains and a CVS. if a bit bigger it will have a Wal-Mart. It means a very high percentage of people are working at these chains and living on minimum wage with food stamps and no real way for most to improve their station.

Clinton could win this, but this election is showing that those people are extremely unhappy at present.
The thing is though it smells like a protest vote rather than a vote for anything positive he actually offers.

I am perplexed by this whole election

Good post MIO.

[cookie2]

Trump has won Florida and Ohio - 95% certain to be president now!

[cookie2]

Clinton could win this, but this election is showing that those people are extremely unhappy at present.
The thing is though it smells like a protest vote rather than a vote for anything positive he actually offers.

I am perplexed by this whole election

Of course its a protest vote MIO, as was Brexit. If people are ignored and deprived for long enough they will protest and turf out those who they think have caused their woes. It's an old story.