Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??

[DJC]

It's not a summer of cricket without a middle order collapse.

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It's not an Aussie test match without a middle order collapse 

Actually, it wasn't a middle order collapse, it was a full-blown collapse; 10 for 86  :o

[laj]

What makes it worse is that the Saffies are a very average unit IMO....Steyn got injured and we got fired out by no name bowlers and Philander who bowls at 130k...Mitch Marsh played outside a straight one thats how well he is going....
Need to rebuild the middle order and also replace Siddle...Pattinson is who we need but he cant stay on the park so we need another quick who can...

Our three third quicks are all injured or returning from injury. Cummins, Pattinson and Coulter-Nile. Either would make a huge difference. Hendriques or Stoinis to replace Marsh. Bowls well but can't afford a number 6 to keep making SFA. Happy to keep with Khawaja as he just had a bad innings but might need to replace Voges given he seem to have done a hamstring.

I saw the first day as I have been in Perth, just got home now. Australia was as dominate as one side could be. Bowlers were outstanding getting them out for 242, then 0/105, Warner was brilliant and S.Marsh was a gutsy as any opener could be. Survived real difficulties and made 63. Could not have imagined we'd be in this position after day 1.

[laj]

Yes. Our batsmen are really letting the side down.
Voges has fallen very swiftly: only a year ago he had an average of about 100. It must be almost halved by now. That is a pity, but has had a bad trot.
Mitch Marsh shouldn't be there. he is an OK bowler, but his batting is not up to test cricket standards. And telling him to make a hundred (when he hasn't made one yet) or get dropped is only going to make him fail. He should not be in the top 6: he doesn't have the runs (literally) on the board.
Nevill hasn't gone on with his batting: it has gone backwards with the lack of support from the other middle order players. He is an excellent keeper, but you need to be more now.
Steve Smith: I know he was given out very dubiously, but his idea of a Captain's Innings at the moment appears to be running down the pitch and then changing his mind. He is not batting smartly.
Khuwaja I don't think is quite up to it. I hope he proves me wrong, but I doubt it.

As for our bowlers, injuries have really made a difference. Starc has done pretty well and so have a couple of others, but we appear to lack venom. Siddle is a great warrior, but he is not quick enough now to be really dangerous.
As for spin, Lyon is OK, but he isn't a match winner. He is probably the best off-spinner going around at the moment, and he has got more wickets than any of the previous offies, but he is just not in the class of some of the other spinners going around.
Nor are we likely to produce many class spinners: most Australian wickets don't wear enough to encourage spinners. Even great spinners struggle here because the drop-in wickets don't wear.

i'll ignore sub continent form and no-one outside of sub-continent coutries go any good there. So  Iwon't judge Khawaja or Voges yet after one innings this summer as there other form stood right up before. M.Marsh is the one that is hurt the batting as we have not steadiness right in that middle if we lose a couple.

[crazyjoedevolamk11]

Our three third quicks are all injured or returning from injury. Cummins, Pattinson and Coulter-Nile. Either would make a huge difference. Hendriques or Stoinis to replace Marsh. Bowls well but can't afford a number 6 to keep making SFA. Happy to keep with Khawaja as he just had a bad innings but might need to replace Voges given he seem to have done a hamstring.

I saw the first day as I have been in Perth, just got home now. Australia was as dominate as one side could be. Bowlers were outstanding getting them out for 242, then 0/105, Warner was brilliant and S.Marsh was a gutsy as any opener could be. Survived real difficulties and made 63. Could not have imagined we'd be in this position after day 1.

I'm done with Pattinson Jim, I reckon he's a bust, injuries cruelled him

[DJC]

The Saffies batted right through the day and, presumably, that would have been their objective in the morning.  Even with Steyn gone, they would have to be clear favourites now 

[Professer E]

Bowled their guts out with zero luck, although Starc still bowls too much crap.  Lyon should have bowled more.

Big no to Henriques, bowling not good enough, saffies with slay him.

I'd be looking at Maxwell in the mid order (plus a few overs) and Chad Sayers as a different bowling option, especially in an Adelaide test.

I've always liked Maddinson but one go hard LH opener is probably enough.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Bowled their guts out with zero luck, although Starc still bowls too much crap.  Lyon should have bowled more.

Big no to Henriques, bowling not good enough, saffies with slay him.

I'd be looking at Maxwell in the mid order (plus a few overs) and Chad Sayers as a different bowling option, especially in an Adelaide test.

I've always liked Maddinson but one go hard LH opener is probably enough.

Need to get De Kock out early or we will be chasing 450, can see him dining out on our tired attack...agree on Maxwell, got some X factor, fields well and can break partnerships.

[laj]

Bowled their guts out with zero luck, although Starc still bowls too much crap.  Lyon should have bowled more.

Big no to Henriques, bowling not good enough, saffies with slay him.

I'd be looking at Maxwell in the mid order (plus a few overs) and Chad Sayers as a different bowling option, especially in an Adelaide test.

I've always liked Maddinson but one go hard LH opener is probably enough.

Hendriques would be in to bat no.6 an bowl 10 overs or so. Other option is Stoinis, who could fill no.6 and well pretty well.

[LP]

Listening to Ian Chappell hand out advice about swing bowling today.

Make sure your kids or grand children ignore everything he says, he has it exactly wrong and completely back to front as coached by great exponents of swing like Lillee, Hadley, Dev, Khan, Massie, Trueman, Botham, Fleming, Alderman and Dodemaide.

If you are a swing bowler you always get as close to the stumps as possible and release the ball down the line of the stumps! That  will  maximise any available movements yet leaves the ball pitching in line if there is no swing!

[flyboy77]

Hendriques would be in to bat no.6 an bowl 10 overs or so. Other option is Stoinis, who could fill no.6 and well pretty well.

you're all forgetting the best option - James Faulkner come on down.