Rd 18: Pre Game Polite Discourse: Carlton vs Sydney

[kruddler]

In the VFL Laj, he had his chance last week and showed nothing.

Simpsons showed nothing in 3 games straight! 0 disposals.

I heard Denis Pagan about a month ago talk about that. He told the team to let Simpson take a kickout, and kick it to himself, just so he could get his first disposal!

Imagine if we wrote him off after 1 game....or 3 games.

Blokes need a chance to get used to the speed of AFL. You do not get that chance in the VFL.

[RiverRat]

You've obviously seen plenty of him in the reserves, from your observations, do you believe he is capable of making it in senior footy or is it a completely lost cause ??

KJ is a good size, has decent hands and is only 21 so I would probably keep him on the list for another year in the hope of seeing some actual improvement. I would rank him with Watson but ahead of Mitchell and McCarthy - previous young talls that some fans were promoting ahead of their abilities.

[Baggers]

Simpsons showed nothing in 3 games straight! 0 disposals.

I heard Denis Pagan about a month ago talk about that. He told the team to let Simpson take a kickout, and kick it to himself, just so he could get his first disposal!

Imagine if we wrote him off after 1 game....or 3 games.

Blokes need a chance to get used to the speed of AFL. You do not get that chance in the VFL.

Simmo starred in the magoos. It was obvious he had serious talent. Took him a few senior games to get into the swing of things. KJ has had years and has not dominated at VFL level.

[RiverRat]

When you kick 20 goals so far in a season, which includes playing a few good games in defence it's obvious you are shutting your eyes every time he goes near the ball. He's had two games of 4 goals, two games of 3 goals. He must've fluked all that...lol. The game I saw he was outstanding. To say his VFL hasn't been good on those figures means people have an agenda. If he's doing that playing crap imagine what he'd do if he played well. This is after missing much of his pre-season with illness. He has the ability, depends how much he wants to apply himself with training and off-field, which may be an issue.

Like I said, I must have missed that outstanding game.

Kicking goals is not necessarily a sign of ability; the level of opposition, soft free kicks, turnovers, uncontested marks and hand passes to a lone player in the goal square can all contribute to the tally. Matthew Watson could kick goals and defend after a fashion; he was also a must better kick than KJ but ultimately, he was unable to win the contested ball and exert sufficient defensive pressure.

I am hoping that KJ will make the grade but have yet to see evidence of it and it is frustrating to see people calling for his inclusion when he has not earned it.

[DJC]

Simpsons showed nothing in 3 games straight! 0 disposals.

I heard Denis Pagan about a month ago talk about that. He told the team to let Simpson take a kickout, and kick it to himself, just so he could get his first disposal!

Imagine if we wrote him off after 1 game....or 3 games.

Blokes need a chance to get used to the speed of AFL. You do not get that chance in the VFL.

While it's true that Simmo didn't get a disposal in his first three games, he actually spent very little time on the ground.

I don't think anyone is writing Jaksch off after one game.  After all, Jaksch is in his fourth season on an AFL list and has played 14 senior games.  By that stage of his career, Simmo was a regular, had received a Rising Star nomination and was in the leadership group.  Yes, some big blokes can take longer and Jaksch might be a regular in 2017, but he's not really up to it now.

Good players don't need to get used to the speed of AFL, but they do need to take the game by the scruff of the neck in the VFL.

[Brettie]

To all those who said KJ was okay last week & deserved another go.....shows what you know. Hopefully we've seen the last of him.....clueless footballer, who doesn't compete anywhere near hard enough or read the game anywhere near well enough.

Lamb was absolutely due to be dropped after consecutive putrid games.

Good selections in & out by the MC.

[LordLucifer]

To all those who said KJ was okay last week & deserved another go.....shows what you know. Hopefully we've seen the last of him.....clueless footballer, who doesn't compete anywhere near hard enough or read the game anywhere near well enough.

Lamb was absolutely due to be dropped after consecutive putrid games.

Good selections in & out by the MC.

I've never been a fan but I would prefer he got a few games in a row just so there is no argument from anyone in the land when he gets flung at the end of the season.

[spf]

I've never been a fan but I would prefer he got a few games in a row just so there is no argument from anyone in the land when he gets flung at the end of the season.

Someone will always argue.

[LP]

I've never been a fan but I would prefer he got a few games in a row just so there is no argument from anyone in the land when he gets flung at the end of the season.

Touche!

Sorry for the crass analogy, but this whole KJ debate is like worrying about the composted value of that last turd you flushed!

[sandsmere]

Touche!

Sorry for the crass analogy, but this whole KJ debate is like worrying about the composted value of that last turd you flushed!

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. Covers it pretty well LP.