Rd 15: Post Game Frustrations: Carlton vs Collingwood

[DJC]

From what I can see a clearance is credited to the player who has the first disposal in the chain that clears the stoppage area to either teams advantage.

Question then is whether a tap or hitout from the ruck contest is counted as a disposal or whether a disposal is determined strictly as a legal disposal by hand or foot?

It has to be kick or handpass that clears the stoppage area - even if it goes directly to an opponent.  I guess that would be picked up in the turnovers/disposal efficiency stats.

[flyboy77]

Stats are useful if people understand their limits, and if they apply the information correctly.

In this case, it shows we don't have an issue getting first use. we don't have an issue getting our hands on the ball. It's what happens after that causes the problems.

Bolton referenced CHF a couple of times in his presser - as we all know, our forward line and delivery into the forward line are the major problems.

Granted Casboult, Everitt et all are playing like gooses but our midfield/ruck is a far larger problem imo. Fix that, the forwards will 'improve' immeasurably.

Simple fact is (sadly) - and noting he's still relatively young - but Kreuzer simply doesn't cut it against the better ruckman in the league these days.

Cripps is either injured or missing in action and Gibbs gets tagged stupid every game now. Curnow in a lull and Sam having a quiet patch too.

Really need to acquire a top notch inside mid asap.

And our midfield goes missing way too often, especially defensively.

[cookie2]

It has to be kick or handpass that clears the stoppage area - even if it goes directly to an opponent.  I guess that would be picked up in the turnovers/disposal efficiency stats.

Thanks DJC. Do you know what is the definition of the stoppage area? I can't find one anywhere.

[PaulP]

Granted Casboult, Everitt et all are playing like gooses but our midfield/ruck is a far larger problem imo. Fix that, the forwards will 'improve' immeasurably.

Simple fact is (sadly) - and noting he's still relatively young - but Kreuzer simply doesn't cut it against the better ruckman in the league these days.

Cripps is either injured or missing in action and Gibbs gets tagged stupid every game now. Curnow in a lull and Sam having a quiet patch too.

Really need to acquire a top notch inside mid asap.

And our midfield goes missing way too often, especially defensively.

I agree fly - I'm one of the few on here who prioritize 2 elite mids above all else. 2 Dangerfield / Selwood types, with a decent supporting cast - terribly important IMO.

[DJC]

Thanks DJC. Do you know what is the definition of the stoppage area? I can't find one anywhere.

Outside of the area you could throw a blanket over?

No, I don't know Cookie.  Perhaps Champion Data could provide definitions.

[cookie2]

Outside of the area you could throw a blanket over?

No, I don't know Cookie.  Perhaps Champion Data could provide definitions.

That 's the one to use I think - nothing better out there as far as I can see!

[flyboy77]

I agree fly - I'm one of the few on here who prioritize 2 elite mids above all else. 2 Dangerfield / Selwood types, with a decent supporting cast - terribly important IMO.

Sure, two would be great but perhaps one mature player and one draftee (high pick)?

[PaulP]

Sure, two would be great but perhaps one mature player and one draftee (high pick)?

Elite talent whichever way we can get it is fine with me.

[RiverRat]

Weitering needs a rest, he's just a kid playing like a man, I want him for the next decade not just the next few weeks.

The main problem with Weitering is that the absence (is he injured or has he retired?) of Jamo. I know he is way past his best but he is still an effective defender and when Jamo was playing, Weitering was able to zone off from lesser forwards and play to his marking strength - in recent weeks, he has had to match up on stronger opponents.

[cookie2]

The main problem with Weitering is that the absence (is he injured or has he retired?) of Jamo. I know he is way past his best but he is still an effective defender and when Jamo was playing, Weitering was able to zone off from lesser forwards and play to his marking strength - in recent weeks, he has had to match up on stronger opponents.

Heard at the game that Jamo has been quite crook (no details) so whether he'll be available again this year I just don't know.