Rd 15: Post Game Frustrations: Carlton vs Collingwood

[kruddler]

Kruddler, the forward line is going to include Curnow, Silvagni and hopefully McKay.

We have to stick games into these guys.

The forward line was going to include Hartlett and Edwards.
The forward line was going to include Mitchell and Watson

The forward line currently has nothing. Until we get something, we'd be best to assume it is still nothing rather than waste time waiting for players to get delisted before trying again.

[madbluboy]

Last night Casboult was playing more CHF where I thought he would be better but he butchered his opportunities there too.

So with Casboult out of the forward 50 that left White and Silvagni as our key forwards and that's why we couldn't kick a goal for over a half of football.

[cookie2]

Last night Casboult was playing more CHF where I thought he would be better but he butchered his opportunities there too.

So with Casboult out of the forward 50 that left White and Silvagni as our key forwards and that's why we couldn't kick a goal for over a half of football.

Casboult did indeed play mostly at CHF but he seemed devoid of any confidence or clue. We spoke at the game of the need for him to be prowling much nearer the goal. He then indeed did take a very good mark close in but then proceeded to miss the soda of a kick from about 30 meters out, pretty much directly in front.

[PaulP]

Casboult did indeed play mostly at CHF but he seemed devoid of any confidence or clue. We spoke at the game of the need for him to be prowling much nearer the goal. He then indeed did take a very good mark close in but then proceeded to miss the soda of a kick from about 30 meters out, pretty much directly in front.

Casboult should be played in the goal square, as a roving marking target, and a bit of ruck work.  Nothing else. The main forwards should be any combination of : White, Walks, Wright, jack, Everitt, Jones, Jaksch, with cameos by any of our bigger players just to mix it up : Rowe, Krooz, Phillips - heck even give Korchek a run.

If you must play Cas at CHF, get guys like 2E running past so he doesn't have to take a shot.

EDIT : assuming the rookie rules allow Korchek to play.

[Robblues]

The forward line was going to include Hartlett and Edwards.
The forward line was going to include Mitchell and Watson

The forward line currently has nothing. Until we get something, we'd be best to assume it is still nothing rather than waste time waiting for players to get delisted before trying again.

Good point, putting our hopes into untried players will again leave egg on our faces. Need a seasoned forward to anchor the forward line. , still a reason we should have kept Waite

[crashlander]

I was really disappointed in last night. We showed a lot of fight and no small amount of courage, but they were up and close to their best (that is frightening as they were pretty ordinary), while we were a long way off it. We had only 1 player, Silvagni, who could not honestly say he has played better this season. Our best handful were only shadows of what they have been in other games. And we had a lot of guys who didn't fire a shot.
Everitt and Walker were particularly ordinary and would have to be lucky to hold their spots.
Sumner couldn't get the ball much, but his chasing and tackling were one of our highlights.
Casboult was so far down he must have seen the earth's core in close-up. He dropped marks and mucked up kicks and just didn't deliver a target.
Weitering played his poorest game and looked like he needed 'managing'. He needs to get his confidence back in the VFL (if only we could afford to do it). Maybe a week off altogether. The surety and kicking were not there and the decision making was far below his best.
Rowe and Plowman did good negative jobs, kept their men really quiet, but couldn't get a kick themselves. Particularly Rowe, who kept Cox to 2 possessions for the night.

[1] Our forward structures just weren't there. We did not give guys a target and nobody wanted the responsivity of kicking the goals.
[2] We mucked around terribly in the midfield and across half back as nobody had confidence to kick the ball quickly. as a result we moved the ball so slowly and our forwards had no chance, and, in trying NOT to make mistakes, we constantly made mistakes and turned the ball over.
[3] Our midfield is getting smashed. Our opponents are awake to Gibbs and Cripps when they come 3rd man up, they haven't given Cripps any room at all and he hasn't been able to create any (that is one of the reason why I think he is not 100% fit). We are very predictable and need to change things up or get smashed.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Can someone tell me what Jones has done wrong?

Our forward six functions better with him in it than without him and he is good for one goal a game.

Since he has been dropped we haven't really fired and Casboult has found it much harder to function.

Sure he isn't great, but I thought he was doing enough to keep his spot and that he was stiff to be dropped.

Has been reasonably good with minimal service in the twos too.

Agree...Jones at least means a KP player from the other team has to mind him and you dont get everyone hanging off Casboult...the latter has been ordinary since Jones was dropped too.
Simon White wont make a forward and would have been better off down back helping out as we looked a bit undersized at times....
Collingwood only won by two goals and I think we had slightly more forward entries so Jones may have made a difference, even if Jones has contested with Reid he might have created some opportunities for our smalls..I thought Reid really towelled us up down back and was in the Pies best players.

[Lods]

Young Silvagni has footy smarts and skills.
How he's managed is pretty important because he's a bottom aged draftee and he's still very much a kid.

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2016-0...k-silvagni

Look after him and he'll be a gem

[LP]

Agree...Jones at least means a KP player from the other team has to mind him and you dont get everyone hanging off Casboult...the latter has been ordinary since Jones was dropped too.
Simon White wont make a forward and would have been better off down back helping out as we looked a bit undersized at times....
Collingwood only won by two goals and I think we had slightly more forward entries so Jones may have made a difference, even if Jones has contested with Reid he might have created some opportunities for our smalls..I thought Reid really towelled us up down back and was in the Pies best players.

Yet, having watched live and the replay, I'd have to say White was our most effective forward. If we'd been kicking half decently, or if Everitt had actually applied some physical contact, White could have easily had three or four more shots at goal within F50.

[laj]

Casboult should be played in the goal square, as a roving marking target, and a bit of ruck work.  Nothing else. The main forwards should be any combination of : White, Walks, Wright, jack, Everitt, Jones, Jaksch, with cameos by any of our bigger players just to mix it up : Rowe, Krooz, Phillips - heck even give Korchek a run.

If you must play Cas at CHF, get guys like 2E running past so he doesn't have to take a shot.

EDIT : assuming the rookie rules allow Korchek to play.

Other way. We need a 2nd key forward so Casboult can get more time up and around the ground where he plays his best footy. When he's the only key forward he cops the opposition defence. He plays his best football by far when he's able to move around and get his hands on the ball. It's why is so much a better player all round when he gets a run on the ball. He's not that good a player that he can handle the heat of multiple opposition attention.

One ruckman, supported by Casboult with Jaksch or Jones as the other key forward. We ALWAYS go alot better that way. First Collingwood game was an example of that and been the ame for a long time.