2015-Rnd 6 Carlton vs Brisbane (Preview)

[ElwoodBlues1]

Drop Jones, Watson in as he's shown he better forward than back Casboult back as 2nd ruck and move Jaksch moved forward if Jammo rerturns. Menzel back in the team and Walker forward. Then the key is to get numbers more forward so we can run the ball quickly in the forward line so these blokes have space to run into. That'll give these blokes some confidence. Play last week's rotten game plan, with a million blokes behind the ball, and those poor younger blokes forward will be totally lost, as Hendo was last week, as they'll be no run hence no speed of ball movement going forward.

Fair points Jim...its not like Jones hasnt been given a go and while I am no fan of Watson I think he plays better in the seniors
and deserves an equal opportunity like Jones has received ..
Agree on Walker..its a no brainer he should play forward....

[laj]

Sorry, but arguing about Jones v Watson v Casboult (as forwards) is like arguing over whether we want 3.93 out of 10, or 3.99 out of ten or 3.88 out of ten. It's like having very little x 3. Jaksch looks more like a tall forward prospect than the 3 of them!

Given Casboult will be one of the ruckmen his rating might go up a little. He's done alright there. Why people are rating him as a forward I don't know. He'll come in for Warnock.

[northernblue]

No 2nd. Thought you'd know that.

Sorry Jim, my mistake... I thought you were telling me that he was playing 1st ruck.
Remember the thread about the blue ants ? Page 3-4 I think.

And to be fair to you, I was only interested because carrots claimed that cas had a blinder of a preseason or some such rot...

[Thryleon]

Change is a good thing when your side is going backwards. It's not a good thing when your side is improving see Ratten, Voss and Mckenna.

Again I must disagree.

Change can be dangerous when it's change for making changes sake.

In a football club, continuity is king.

Teams get better when they approach 100 games playing footy together.

Teams execute plans better when they play together more often.  That means not five games of playing footy together and writing blokes off or changing tactics frequently or moving players backwards and forwards on the field. 

I think our football department needs to be left to work their way through this, just like it should have been back in 2012, but, at least we are structured in our inability to perform.  There is elements of a formation I can see in our play, which tells me that the blokes are trying something but it's not working... Yet.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Again I must disagree.

Change can be dangerous when it's change for making changes sake.

In a football club, continuity is king.

Teams get better when they approach 100 games playing footy together.

Teams execute plans better when they play together more often.  That means not five games of playing footy together and writing blokes off or changing tactics frequently or moving players backwards and forwards on the field. 

I think our football department needs to be left to work their way through this, just like it should have been back in 2012, but, at least we are structured in our inability to perform.  There is elements of a formation I can see in our play, which tells me that the blokes are trying something but it's not working... Yet.

We are woeful, the plan we are executing is woeful, its a defensive, negative, unfashionable, oudated piece of work  that you would associate with the worst clubs in the comp.
We lack flair, cant score and its a shocking brand to watch.......we wont attract members/supporters or sponsors if we wait another 100 games.
Its more dangerous to do nothing......you reckon ManU, Chelsea, Bayern Munich etc would let their teams be hammered every week and do nothing, not likely....
The Romans sat back did nothing and lost an Empire......
There is an old saying..Nothing diminishes anxiety faster than action.....

[DontgoJuddy]

We are woeful, the plan we are executing is woeful, its a defensive, negative, unfashionable, oudated piece of work  that you would associate with the worst clubs in the comp.
We lack flair, cant score and its a shocking brand to watch.......we wont attract members/supporters or sponsors if we wait another 100 games.
Its more dangerous to do nothing......you reckon ManU, Chelsea, Bayern Munich etc would let their teams be hammered every week and do nothing, not likely....
The Romans sat back did nothing and lost an Empire......
There is an old saying..Nothing diminishes anxiety faster than action.....

Pretty much sums it up.

[Lods]

Jaksch looks more like a tall forward prospect than the 3 of them!

Until he goes into that black hole that's our forward area

[Mantis]

Until he goes into that black hole that's our forward area

That black hole is created by our style of play. One of a lack of movement forward. Limited leading from the forwards. Bombing the ball forwards to no benefit of a contest. Lack of players trying to crumb a ball at a spillage. Too many going for a leap in the same contest, and the list could go on forever.

[Vivian]

'Game plan' is one of the misnomers of football in that it implies a clear process or style. Game plans if they can even be called that are a set of preferences ideally or priorities. At the moment, the observation that our game plan is too defensive or negative is more the result of poor skills, lack of confidence and players, especially midfield not running enough, not that the coach is telling them to be stodgy and not play up the middle.

Having confidence in one's skills and the skills of teammates requires also having good skills. So the half back that manages a precise pass into the centre to be marked and carried by a teammate makes a 'game plan' look attacking. Is it a different game plan really? Im not so sure. What I do know is that our half back line and back line often miss targets. If i was coaching, a solution may be to play the wings more often. Do we want Walker or Jamison attempting to hit targets in the middle whenever possible?

As for the game this week, I cant see Watson getting a game. He is not kicking bags in the seconds and lacks the pace to play at league level. Unless this radically changes it is hard to see him selected. Jones has been average, but he has shown some improvement so far. There are other players to drop for poor efforts before Jones.

[Thryleon]

We are woeful, the plan we are executing is woeful, its a defensive, negative, unfashionable, oudated piece of work  that you would associate with the worst clubs in the comp.
We lack flair, cant score and its a shocking brand to watch.......we wont attract members/supporters or sponsors if we wait another 100 games.
Its more dangerous to do nothing......you reckon ManU, Chelsea, Bayern Munich etc would let their teams be hammered every week and do nothing, not likely....
The Romans sat back did nothing and lost an Empire......
There is an old saying..Nothing diminishes anxiety faster than action.....

You can't compare a footy team to soccer.

Chelsea have the biggest budget in European football.  They buy the most expensive attacking players and then play  a defensive system.

By even mentioning them you miss the point.

They can buy a new team like we used to back with form 4's

In afl not everyone is on the market, and you can't rotate your squad as quickly in the off season.  It takes time or you go backwards.

In Afl things are cyclical.  We cut our up short anticipating the up wouldn't get high enough.  Maybe too early or not. 

Be honest can you see us improving in Port Adelaide fashion, if we change coach and if so why?

Is it the amazing key position talent?
The United board pursuing excellence?
Do we have a home ground advantage?
An abundance of talent stifled by our game plan so that they can no longer hit targets, Hunt the footy, or defend in any capacity?

I'm dying to hear why, the cause for such optimistic expectation under a new coach when carrots, Simpson and Judd are looking a bit tired and the rest below fail to fire weekly.