Rd 11: Pre Game Patter: Carlton vs Brisbane

[Dominator_7]

Really, if we bring the same intensity we brought against the Cats on Saturday, this should be an easy win.
But on their day, as the Hawks found out last week, the Lions can be a formidable opponent and not that easy o shake off.
Just need to maintain focus, make sure the players keep their feet on the ground this week after all the good press we ve been getting.
On a side not, wish Tommy Bell a good game, but not too good. Feel no ill will towards him.
Robbo on the other hand, I hope cops a few crunching tackles from big Crippa!!

[ElwoodBlues1]

The way Gorringe moves reminds me of Lawrence Angwin hopefully not his nocturnal ways  ;D

Lawrence had very sticky fingers and long arms.....was a good mark too...

[cookie2]

Really, if we bring the same intensity we brought against the Cats on Saturday, this should be an easy win.
But on their day, as the Hawks found out last week, the Lions can be a formidable opponent and not that easy o shake off.
Just need to maintain focus, make sure the players keep their feet on the ground this week after all the good press we ve been getting.
On a side not, wish Tommy Bell a good game, but not too good. Feel no ill will towards him.
Robbo on the other hand, I hope cops a few crunching tackles from big Crippa!!

Dom I think our pressure will be more intense and unrelenting than that of the Hawks if we repeat last Sundays dosage. Hopefully the Lions will then cough up plenty of turnovers and make plenty of mistakes.  8)

[kruddler]

Gorringe can't hold position against opposition ruckmen and is too easily brushed aside in contests.  If he is going to play mainly as a ruckman, he has to be bigger and stronger.  He is most suited to playing as a tall half forward, as was his stated position in the pre-season.

How many ruck contests do you reckon occur during any given game?

Whatever it is, halve it, as he is rucking in tandem with kreuzer.
Halve it again as the opposition will win half anyway.

Of whatever is left, what % of them are there clear hitouts to advantage? maybe 20%.

Given about 80 stoppages a game, thus ruck contests.
Kreuzer takes 40, Gorringe 40.
Opposition win half - leaving gorringe with 20.
Of that 20, 20% go to advantage.....so 4.

Now assume Gorringe only wins 10% of his hitouts, instead of 50%.
Hitouts to advantage drops from 4 to 1.

You want to drop a bloke because over the course of a game he might get you 3 hitouts to advantage less than someone else....say phillips.

What about the rest of the game played outside the ruck? He's kicking 1.5 goals a game at the moment and offering a target around the ground. I'd argue that is far more valuable than 3 hitouts to advantage we might be losing.

People think ruck = hitouts.....and forget that for 95% of the game the ruckman doesn't do any rucking!

[kruddler]

The way Gorringe moves reminds me of Lawrence Angwin hopefully not his nocturnal ways  ;D

Gorringe certainly moves well, but Angwin still has him covered. Never seen a bloke his size simply run around people trying to tackle him......Buddy excluded.

[DJC]

How many ruck contests do you reckon occur during any given game?

Whatever it is, halve it, as he is rucking in tandem with kreuzer.
Halve it again as the opposition will win half anyway.

Of whatever is left, what % of them are there clear hitouts to advantage? maybe 20%.

Given about 80 stoppages a game, thus ruck contests.
Kreuzer takes 40, Gorringe 40.
Opposition win half - leaving gorringe with 20.
Of that 20, 20% go to advantage.....so 4.

Now assume Gorringe only wins 10% of his hitouts, instead of 50%.
Hitouts to advantage drops from 4 to 1.

You want to drop a bloke because over the course of a game he might get you 3 hitouts to advantage less than someone else....say phillips.

What about the rest of the game played outside the ruck? He's kicking 1.5 goals a game at the moment and offering a target around the ground. I'd argue that is far more valuable than 3 hitouts to advantage we might be losing.

People think ruck = hitouts.....and forget that for 95% of the game the ruckman doesn't do any rucking!

Did I say anything about hitouts, or about dropping Gorringe for that matter?  Comprehension doesn't seem to be your strength  ???

My point is that Gorringe is too easily brushed aside by opposition ruckmen (and defenders) in contested ball situations and that's part and parcel of a ruckman's workload, regardless of how much time he spends on the ball.  Gorringe is actually reasonably effective at centre bounces because he has an unencumbered leap at the ball.

My preferred position for Gorringe is as a tall utility (as discussed below) and Gorringe sees himself as a tall midfielder.

By the way, thanks for the ruck analysis.  It is probably the most over-thought, meaningless nonsense I have read on this site and it gave me a very good laugh and, yes, I know small things amuse small minds 

[crashlander]

OK: enough of the baiting. Agree to disagree and move on. There is much too much positive going on around here to lose it. Playing the poster is not our way.

[kruddler]

Did I say anything about hitouts, or about dropping Gorringe for that matter?  Comprehension doesn't seem to be your strength  ???

My point is that Gorringe is too easily brushed aside by opposition ruckmen (and defenders) in contested ball situations and that's part and parcel of a ruckman's workload, regardless of how much time he spends on the ball.  Gorringe is actually reasonably effective at centre bounces because he has an unencumbered leap at the ball.

My preferred position for Gorringe is as a tall utility (as discussed below) and Gorringe sees himself as a tall midfielder.

By the way, thanks for the ruck analysis.  It is probably the most over-thought, meaningless nonsense I have read on this site and it gave me a very good laugh and, yes, I know small things amuse small minds 

That wasn't just directed at you but to everyone who has been bagging out Gorringes ruck ability. (Jimbo amongst others), yes your post was quoted because it served as the popular opinion, not just because it was yours.

Not like you to go off half-c0cked and overreact.

So you thought that analysis was over-throught? I thought it was a very simplistic example myself. Each to their own.

[DJC]

That wasn't just directed at you but to everyone who has been bagging out Gorringes ruck ability. (Jimbo amongst others), yes your post was quoted because it served as the popular opinion, not just because it was yours.

Not like you to go off half-c0cked and overreact.

So you thought that analysis was over-throught? I thought it was a very simplistic example myself. Each to their own.

It reminded me of an analysis my late brother once did of basketball.  It showed that in a team of five players, each player will only have the ball for around four minutes of a 40 minute game.  The message was meant to be about working harder when you don't have the ball but it was lost in the maths.  It's not the hitouts Gorringe may win that is important, it's how well he nullifies his opponent, blocks opposition midfielders, brings the ball to ground in marking contests, makes a contest and, as he did so well on Sunday, uses his run and anticipation to create scoring opportunities.

Like many of our players, he's a work in progress and I have a feeling that he will develop into a similar player to Blicavs; almost impossible to match up - unless you're Patrick Cripps 

[kruddler]

It reminded me of an analysis my late brother once did of basketball.  It showed that in a team of five players, each player will only have the ball for around four minutes of a 40 minute game.  The message was meant to be about working harder when you don't have the ball but it was lost in the maths.  It's not the hitouts Gorringe may win that is important, it's how well he nullifies his opponent, blocks opposition midfielders, brings the ball to ground in marking contests, makes a contest and, as he did so well on Sunday, uses his run and anticipation to create scoring opportunities.

Like many of our players, he's a work in progress and I have a feeling that he will develop into a similar player to Blicavs; almost impossible to match up - unless you're Patrick Cripps 

The bold was the take home point.....as mentioned previously, wasn't specifically directed at you.
He does other more important things on the field that make him far more valuable than people realise. Hitting the scoreboard being the obvious one that can't be overlooked.