Back to Forward

[bignic]

That's Forward to Back....That trick never works (at least not since Jesaulenko)

Not quite true, Lodsy.

Gordon Collis, was our Centre half Forward in 1963.

In 1964, Ken Hands, I think was the coach, or Jim Francis, my memory aint what it used to be, shifted Collis to a permanent centre Half back position.

Collis won the Brownlow, beating Ken Fraser from Essendon who was the hot favourite.

[cookie2]

That's Forward to Back....That trick never works (at least not since Jesaulenko)

Back to forward doesn't appear to be working with Hendo and forward to back is not working with Walker.  ;D

[LP]

Back to forward doesn't appear to be working with Hendo and forward to back is not working with Walker.  ;D

How about we have a coaching panel that just lets them play in their best position instead of everywhere!

[Thryleon]

How about we have a coaching panel that just lets them play in their best position instead of everywhere!

When they all answer that their best position leaves us without a balanced squad, then what do you do?

I doubt any man in the team will pick forward or back pocket, nor inside midfielder tagger either.

For sure not one of them would want to be a CHF or FF at our club the way the ball is delivered laces out every week.

There is much more to managing a team of individuals than drawing names on a piece of paper and saying now go out there an play football.

The part we are doing wrong, is the kick the ball to our teamates advantage anyway.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Walker should play forward...thats a no brainer IMO......
Touhy further up the ground ie Wing/Half forward is also worth trying..

I would also try Casboult in the NO 1 ruck position and have him ruck most of the game......might do a Stefan Martin if given the responsibility....
Wood is handy but no star and Warnock is next to useless..I'd rather win less tapouts initially and have Casboults marking ability around the ground and his big frame in more contests..

[mateinone]

I don't think it matters as much who is up forward and who is down back, barring the odd specific contest.
What is more important is that the players understand where they should be running to based on where the ball is and who has possession. Carlton's formations are awful, those in the packs or running off half back have to search for options quickly, our opponents have a structure and know where their players will be running to.

We resort so often to mongrel punts forward (I don't know what the percentage was against Collingwood, but I can't remember a dry weather game with more mongrel punts into our forward 50) which inevitably come flying back with interest.

[LP]

When they all answer that their best position leaves us without a balanced squad, then what do you do?

I doubt any man in the team will pick forward or back pocket, nor inside midfielder tagger either.

For sure not one of them would want to be a CHF or FF at our club the way the ball is delivered laces out every week.

There is much more to managing a team of individuals than drawing names on a piece of paper and saying now go out there an play football.

The part we are doing wrong, is the kick the ball to our teamates advantage anyway.

This isn't kindergarten football, these "men" know the deal and where they are best suited to establish a career!

Playing them in shizen positions while we look for something better just delays or breaks the development of good players. Like playing Cripps forward while we try to find a 2nd or 3rd tall that works!

So play the 1st choice players in their 1st choice positions, where they play best, then fill the holes with whoever isn't the first choice and who is prepared to have a crack!

[cookie2]

This isn't kindergarten football, these "men" know the deal and where they are best suited to establish a career!

Playing them in shizen positions while we look for something better just delays or breaks the development of good players. Like playing Cripps forward while we try to find a 2nd or 3rd tall that works!

So play the 1st choice players in their 1st choice positions, where they play best, then fill the holes with whoever isn't the first choice and who is prepared to have a crack!

Agree with this approach. If we persist in playing guys in roles they cannot play at their best in or do not like playing then the result is demotivation and disillusionment. Whenever in my working career I found myself in a role I didn't want I asked for a move. Eventually, if I didn't get that move, I moved on.

[Thryleon]

This isn't kindergarten football, these "men" know the deal and where they are best suited to establish a career!

Playing them in shizen positions while we look for something better just delays or breaks the development of good players. Like playing Cripps forward while we try to find a 2nd or 3rd tall that works!

So play the 1st choice players in their 1st choice positions, where they play best, then fill the holes with whoever isn't the first choice and who is prepared to have a crack!

Yes, this isnt kindergarten football, this is the level where 22 individuals playing football on the same page will achieve more, than 22 individuals which is what you guys seem to be overly focussed on.

Our issues are a lack of team first mentality, which then becomes players getting caught with the footy (as people are focussing on me, rather than we) and the ball being delivered to contests, because why even care whether or not you kick it to your mates advantage, rather than just kicking it in his vicinity?

The game is simple.  Hit targets = good footy.  Collingwood showed us, all you have to do is compete hard, and then deliver the ball to advantage, and any opposition will soon be left powerless to stop you.

[Lods]

Yes, this isnt kindergarten football, this is the level where 22 individuals playing football on the same page will achieve more, than 22 individuals which is what you guys seem to be overly focussed on.

Our issues are a lack of team first mentality, which then becomes players getting caught with the footy (as people are focussing on me, rather than we) and the ball being delivered to contests, because why even care whether or not you kick it to your mates advantage, rather than just kicking it in his vicinity?

The game is simple.  Hit targets = good footy.  Collingwood showed us, all you have to do is compete hard, and then deliver the ball to advantage, and any opposition will soon be left powerless to stop you.

It's complicated a bit by a lack of execution and skill.
That's not always because players aren't doing the team thing and making it easier for teammates.
When players under no pressure turn the ball over that's not so much a team thing.
It's not a team thing when your key forwards miss easy goals more often than they kick them.

I just find it bizarre that the only time I feel confident about one of our guys kicking a goal is when Tuohy, a player who plays back most of time, drifts forward and gets a handpass around the 50 metre mark.