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Rd 4: Pre Game Pressure: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs
#41
(04-10-2016, 10:07 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:x2....

Should be dropped....but wont be due to his draft pick status....

If you drop Kruezer based on playing under par then to be consistent drop the following:

Murphy
Gibbs
Casboult
Jamo
Rowe
Phillips
Buckley
Thomas

Whats the alternative at this stage - replace them with kids that are not ready get hammered and then watch the complaints on here when we get smashed by 20 goals plus!

While I agree his not playing to his best he is not alone but at it least he pushes himself to the limit - a quality that cant be understated when you are rebuilding. The guy busts a nut in every contest and I rarely single him out because of that very quality. While other early picks jog around the ground avoiding contact and never even provide even a hint of physical presence! 

Imagine taking him out of the ruck and leaving Cripps to be supported by real hard nuts in Murphy and Gibbs  :Smile. The kid will be smashed from pillar to post. He provides some protection and when we have close to no one else who does that hard work -  any talk of dropping him is madness.

Leave him as a follower and stop asking him to fill a void up forward and watch his form improve.

Or get Wood back in and maybe he can replicate the clown act he performed with Casboult against the Dogs last year in the F50 when many thought they were watching the Benny Hill show.  At least his good for a laugh.


 




#42
Like Kreuzer I am not sure we are doing Daisy any favors either. He has been out for ages and we seem to be using him as our Mr Fixit. As a result he has no continuity, and it will be hard to find form.

Actually, based on what we have had him doing he isn't too bad.
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#43
What worries me about Kreuzer is that he can't get off the ground. Likely due to accumulative effects of his injuries.
#44
(04-10-2016, 08:32 PM)PassIt2Carrots link Wrote:Guys, hate to tell you but he's been putrid in the ruck as well.

I can't agree with that assessment b/c when Kreuzer is in for the centre bounce he provides another midfielder to assist in clearances - Phillips might get his hand on the ball but clearances tend to go to the opposition. Unfortunately, Phillips seems to be less of a forward than Kreuzer.

If he is not carrying an injury at the moment and IF we are actually trying to win games, I would prefer to see Kreuzer doing a greater proportion of the ruckwork with limited relief provided by Rowe, Casboult or Jones - all of whom represent better alternatives as tall forwards than either Phillips or Kreuzer. 

However, if the focus is on development, I can fully understand the decision to give Phillips a fair-go in the ruck.
#45
(04-11-2016, 05:05 AM)LP link Wrote:Like Kreuzer I am not sure we are doing Daisy any favors either. He has been out for ages and we seem to be using him as our Mr Fixit. As a result he has no continuity, and it will be hard to find form.

Geez poor Daisy fork me he has been stiff.
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#46
(04-11-2016, 07:42 AM)RiverRat link Wrote:I can't agree with that assessment b/c when Kreuzer is in for the centre bounce he provides another midfielder to assist in clearances - Phillips might get his hand on the ball but clearances tend to go to the opposition. Unfortunately, Phillips seems to be less of a forward than Kreuzer.

If he is not carrying an injury at the moment and IF we are actually trying to win games, I would prefer to see Kreuzer doing a greater proportion of the ruckwork with limited relief provided by Rowe, Casboult or Jones - all of whom represent better alternatives as tall forwards than either Phillips or Kreuzer. 

However, if the focus is on development, I can fully understand the decision to give Phillips a fair-go in the ruck.

MK cannot dominate weak opposing rucks.....Hampson, Griffiths, two forwards turned rucks in Sinclair and Tippett and now Nicholls vs GC......not exactly Sandilands, Goldstein quality is it?
Doesnt take any marks and his much vaunted skills below his knees are a thing of the past as he doesnt even try and win possession just tries to knock the ball on to other players...

Its embarrassing for the club to drop Kruezer being a No 1 pick and favourite son but it might have to happen...other clubs are experimenting more with mobile tall players who can also play other positions and we  cannot afford to carry two ruckman only types who give nothing else but the odd tapout.
Try some different combos..Philips/ Gorringe.......Gorringe/Casboult etc etc...lets do something different....
#47
(04-11-2016, 08:25 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:MK cannot dominate weak opposing rucks.....Hampson, Griffiths, two forwards turned rucks in Sinclair and Tippett and now Nicholls vs GC......not exactly Sandilands, Goldstein quality is it?
Doesnt take any marks and his much vaunted skills below his knees are a thing of the past as he doesnt even try and win possession just tries to knock the ball on to other players...

Its embarrassing for the club to drop Kruezer being a No 1 pick and favourite son but it might have to happen...other clubs are experimenting more with mobile tall players who can also play other positions and we  cannot afford to carry two ruckman only types who give nothing else but the odd tapout.
Try some different combos..Philips/ Gorringe.......Gorringe/Casboult etc etc...lets do something different....

Difference is EB when comparing to what other clubs do is they make the change only after the guys they are throwing in are close to being ready or have shown a bit at lower levels. The guys you mention have done neither.

Im not in favour of desperate changes - rather calculated ones.

No point trying something that has close to zero chance of being successful. Kreuzer had a massive end to 2015-sure he hasn't been great but many should be looked at before his name is mentioned.

Surely the protection he offers around the ball is something on its own we have very few players capable of.

#48
I wonder if some boldness from selection is in order. Afterall, the players are being encouraged to do just that - be bold.

Just thoughts. Drop Phillips / 2nd ruckman all together. Have Meat (or Jones) support K in the ruck. (Jones' form in the 2s deserves another crack).

Drop Buckley, Whiley and Rowe.

Bring in Jones for Phillips.

Bring in Jaksch for Rowe.

Sumner for Buckley.

Cuningham or DVR for Whiley.

Then when Plowman is ready, rest young Curnow and play Plowman up forward.

Send Everitt overseas on a men's grooming and cosmetics fact finding expedition... with instructions not to return until October.



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#49
(04-11-2016, 09:26 AM)Baggers link Wrote:I wonder if some boldness from selection is in order. Afterall, the players are being encouraged to do just that - be bold.

Just thoughts. Drop Phillips / 2nd ruckman all together. Have Meat (or Jones) support K in the ruck. (Jones' form in the 2s deserves another crack).

Drop Buckley, Whiley and Rowe.

Bring in Jones for Phillips.

Bring in Jaksch for Rowe.

Sumner for Buckley.

Cuningham or DVR for Whiley.

Then when Plowman is ready, rest young Curnow and play Plowman up forward.

Send Everitt overseas on a men's grooming and cosmetics fact finding expedition... with instructions not to return until October.

Isn't Sumner some way off in preparation? I thought he was about 3 weeks behind Plowman.
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#50
(04-11-2016, 08:25 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:MK cannot dominate weak opposing rucks.....Hampson, Griffiths, two forwards turned rucks in Sinclair and Tippett and now Nicholls vs GC......not exactly Sandilands, Goldstein quality is it?
In a lot of ways, this is the most damning aspect of Kreuzer this season. When he came back last year he did well against Gawn for 3 quarters - he really exposed Gawn's running with his. Nor was that his only decent effort. But this year he has struggled in the centre bounce, and his running ability has not been seen at all.
He did struggle against Hampson last year, but he was not long back playing at that point. Hampson really beat him in the air and killed him in the ruck.
Has he struggled to get used to our new style of game? Or has his mobility been compromised by his injuries? Whatever it is, he has not become either a Bull type ruckman or a Superman type, as he has neither the leap and athleticism, nor the strength.


(04-11-2016, 08:25 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Doesn't take any marks and his much vaunted skills below his knees are a thing of the past as he doesnt even try and win possession just tries to knock the ball on to other players...
The marking things is really worrying me. He is just not making us kick to him, nor is he holding the marks he gets to.
I'm less worried about his 'below the knees' stuff, but this has been one of his strengths and it just hasn't been there.
I don't mind him nocking the ball on constructively, but even that hasn't worked much.
I really want to see him get on his bike and make position, burning off his ruck opponent and get some cheap marks. Then his confidence might rise to the point where he starts taking some contested marks again.


(04-11-2016, 08:25 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Its embarrassing for the club to drop Kruezer being a No 1 pick and favourite son but it might have to happen...other clubs are experimenting more with mobile tall players who can also play other positions and we  cannot afford to carry two ruckman only types who give nothing else but the odd tapout.
Try some different combos..Philips/ Gorringe.......Gorringe/Casboult etc etc...lets do something different....
We may have to. Phillips has a future, but he isn't there yet. He needs another 5 - 10 kg of muscle to go with his leap, and probably another preseason or 2 to get the ball going to our mids properly.

Gorringe I would like to see get a go, but there is something not quite right yet with him. Maybe we need to get a sport's psychologist to get into his head and work out if he really wants to make it.

I am more worried now about Kreuzer than I ever have been before. In his present form he is one of the AFL's least effective ruckmen. He had NO PRESENCE around the ground. None. Nicholls didn't have a lot, he didn't even run to dangerous areas often. But Kreuzer did not attack and run off him. Not once. No big tackles. No big shepherds. Nobody feared him. Even though he got more taps that Nicholls (quite easily) last weekend, we did not get much benefit from it. Nicholls used his extra height and reach to knock Kreuzer's arm and affect his ability to direct his taps. When Nicholls was getting a tap, he usually got his quite clearly and to advantage.
Not all of this is Kreuzer's fault: Murphy, Gibbs and Cripps were down somewhat and couldn't combine like they did at times last year. I can recall Murphy's handball being picked off 3 or 4 times in the centre square. Ablett and Hall were reading the taps and our mids much better than the reverse.

Our whole centre structure is not working as well as it did last year. We had issues in the midfield (as we got torn up a few times), but Laidley deserves kudos for making our centre square work as well as it did. The only real problem with it was we were very indirect from the middle and almost never found a forward.
Maybe we will improve in this area of time: we have changed the set up significantly. I hope so, as I was bitterly disappointed with what we were doing in there.
Until we get a dominant ruckman, we won't seriously challenge the real contenders.
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