Rd 2: Carlton vs. Sydney: Post Game Passion

[Bear]

Murphy does appear to be protecting one side.  But he did have 4 tackles for a total of 10 for the year... suggests some intent.

He didn't have his best game, our entire midfield group got collectively smashed.

[BluePhantom]

With Murph and Gibbsy and who ever else is not as hard as we want and with what BB is thinking.
Just think would that player be of the Hawthorn mould? With that thought you would get an idea whether BB wants them in his team. ???

[Gointocarlton]

With Murph and Gibbsy and who ever else is not as hard as we want and with what BB is thinking.
Just think would that player be of the Hawthorn mould? With that thought you would get an idea whether BB wants them in his team. ???

Was talking to a mate who was at the game, reckons Gibbs and Everitt looked particular bad (in terms of effort and hardness) live. I saw one passage of play where Gibbs bullocked his way through two tacklers just fwd of centre and got the ball out to someone who kicked a goal. I thought to myself thats the first time I have ever seen (or at least recalled) Gibbs do that since he started at our Club. I am growing very tired of him to be honest. He is what I call a coach killer or uncoachable. I don't believe he can be coached into the player we (and others) want him to be. BB has come from the Clarkson school, I don't reckon he can coach Gibbs to be the type of player he want, I don't think any one can. I may be wrong and may be proven wrong, but at this stage thats what I think. I also think he will be traded at the first available opportunity. We cannot continue to carry blokes like him any longer. Senior experienced blokes like Gibbs, Murphy, Everitt, Jamo, Simpson, Rowe et al should be taking games by the scruff of the neck and bringing the young kids with them. Not one of those blokes is capable of doing it. Murphy maybe if he rekindled some of the early career form. The rest, pfffft.

[cookie2]

Was talking to a mate who was at the game, reckons Gibbs and Everitt looked particular bad (in terms of effort and hardness) live. I saw one passage of play where Gibbs bullocked his way through two tacklers just fwd of centre and got the ball out to someone who kicked a goal. I thought to myself thats the first time I have ever seen (or at least recalled) Gibbs do that since he started at our Club. I am growing very tired of him to be honest. He is what I call a coach killer or uncoachable. I don't believe he can be coached into the player we (and others) want him to be. BB has come from the Clarkson school, I don't reckon he can coach Gibbs to be the type of player he want, I don't think any one can. I may be wrong and may be proven wrong, but at this stage thats what I think. I also think he will be traded at the first available opportunity. We cannot continue to carry blokes like him any longer. Senior experienced blokes like Gibbs, Murphy, Everitt, Jamo, Simpson, Rowe et al should be taking games by the scruff of the neck and bringing the young kids with them. Not one of those blokes is capable of doing it. Murphy maybe if he rekindled some of the early career form. The rest, pfffft.

Who are the "steel" at the core of our team presently? I can think of people like White, Rowe, Tuohy but they have major shortcomings in other areas. Cripps is still very much developing. I think BB will have realised by now that that is probably the very first area he needs to address. Without a tough and solid core to build around, progress will be difficult and we can never aspire to be a Hawks or Swans.

[blue4life]

The hate for Gibbs here is astonishing, I wish we had another half a dozen as good as him.

[cimm1979]

When you're outnumbered in the quality stakes people can often take it out on the better players or existing players.

"Get rid of ....... " "he's shit"
".... Is soft "

I do it as well

The problem is there is no one else yet because they are not ready or they don't exist. If our recruiters and past coaches had done their jobs properly we'd have better players to choose from and that helps everyone and makes everyone look a bit better.

Take out Parker and Hannebery and I guarantee that Kieran Jack and Tom Mitchell don't look like the world beaters they looked yesterday. Jack has struggled in the past when he's had to carry the load and Tom Michells ability to cover bigger players gets exposed.

This is the list we have and we can bitch and moan till the cows come home but we can't change anything till draft/trade time.

The best we can hope for going forward is some improvement in existing players, better application of the game plan and development of the kids and culture.

We are 2 games into the rebuild .

[townsendcalling]

The hate for Gibbs here is astonishing, I wish we had another half a dozen as good as him.

Umm, be careful B4L, you'll get belted on this site for saying things like that!

[PassIt2Carrots]

The hate for Gibbs here is astonishing, I wish we had another half a dozen as good as him.

Yeah but you said exactly the same thing about Nick Stevens.

Murphy has had intent to tackle this season and has no problems tackling IMO. Hit Martin with a ripper last week. His biggest problem is dropping the ball and feigning for frees at the slightest hint of pressure. He and Gibbs in the centre square is pure suicide.

[thrunthrublu]

The hate for Gibbs here is astonishing, I wish we had another half a dozen as good as him.

i dont think its hate, its more perpetual disappointment. Everyone knows what he's capable of
He just doesn't bring it when required. fustrating , as this separates him from the elite

[blue4life]

Yeah but you said exactly the same thing about Nick Stevens.

Same as Gibbs really, a standout player in a crappy side who pissed off supporters take their frustrations out on.