Formula 1

[kruddler]

You don't have to accept it. Doesn't make it wrong because you don't though.

Point i was making with the numbers is that being familiar with the track is as important as being familiar with the car. Especially at a place like Bathurst.

You are a self confessed novice. So when you talk about settings on mario kart i think novice is an overestimation.

There is a reason why F1 drivers do countless hours in a simulator. Playing those 'video games' to learn a track is a very helpful tool that can not be underestimated. These things are worth millions for a reason.
However, despite that, more than a couple of F1 drivers have openly said they have learned new tracks from the PS3/PS4 before arriving at a new circuit that has just been built.

Why do footy players practice a game plan? Why can't they simply study it on paper and execute it on game day?

[LP]

You don't have to accept it. Doesn't make it wrong because you don't though.

Point i was making with the numbers is that being familiar with the track is as important as being familiar with the car. Especially at a place like Bathurst.

You are a self confessed novice. So when you talk about settings on mario kart i think novice is an overestimation.

There is a reason why F1 drivers do countless hours in a simulator. Playing those 'video games' to learn a track is a very helpful tool that can not be underestimated. These things are worth millions for a reason.
However, despite that, more than a couple of F1 drivers have openly said they have learned new tracks from the PS3/PS4 before arriving at a new circuit that has just been built.

Why do footy players practice a game plan? Why can't they simply study it on paper and execute it on game day?

True learning the new track is important.

Are you claiming Lowndes cannot drive an open wheeler on an empty track that he knows well?

Both drivers, that is both, smashed the Bathurst Lap record in the F1 within 0.3s of each other, while Button almost failed to qualify in the V8!

BTW, I've just checked with my associate. He tells me Button actually set the whole event up for Vodaphone and is a keen follower of Bathurst. He was going like a bat out of hell to beat Lowndes, he just wasn't quick enough!

[kruddler]

True learning the new track is important.

Are you claiming Lowndes cannot drive an open wheeler on an empty track that he knows well?

Both drivers, that is both, smashed the Bathurst Lap record in the F1 within 0.3s of each other, while Button almost failed to qualify in the V8!

BTW, I've just checked with my associate. He tells me Button actually set the whole event up for Vodaphone and is a keen follower of Bathurst. He was going like a bat out of hell to beat Lowndes, he just wasn't quick enough!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5Zeou2lxZI

Yes, button did know of the track in the above video.

Has he driven on it before? No.

He wasn't quick enough. No $hit. I've told you why that is the case!

What he did say in that video is that usually he can get a track within a few laps, but a track like this he needs at least half a day.
Oh, thats like exactly what i was saying.
Bathurst is simply a complete b!tch of a track to drive on. You need time to learn how to drive on it. He never had it. Lowndes did.

Are you claiming Lowndes cannot drive an open wheeler on an empty track that he knows well?

No, i have never suggested anything even remotely close to this.

I've met Craig Lowndes before, had a chat and got his autograph.
I've actually worked briefly with his brother.
I've got more respect for Lowndes than just about any other V8 driver in history.
This has got nothing to do with Lowndes.

I have no particularly affinity to Button.
It is not about him either.

The fact Lowndes could actually drive the thing to begin with is amazing.
The fact Button had the balls to go as fast as he did as soon as he did in both cars in extremely courageous.

The simple fact is, it is NOT a level playing field.

1 guy has his favourite car completely setup for his favourite track
1 guy has a car similar to his own but has never driven on the track before.
Swap and you still get
1 guy in a car that handles better than any car he's ever driven, on his favourite track.
1 guy in a car that handles worse than any car he's ever driven, on a track he's never driven before.

Do the same thing on a track they are equally adept at, say Albert Park, and it will be more of a level playing field.

[LP]

Kruddler, it's the magnitude of the difference that is important not the fact that there was a difference. As I understand it, really only 1/3 of the track is the important part, and in that 1/3 Button lost 7s. It cannot be shyness from Button, he drives at Monaco as you have pointed out which is as tight and as scary as any circuit they will ever encounter!

Anyway, you cannot change my opinions as they are formed from listening to industry insiders talk about it. And I am not qualified to argue the intricate details, I do not know them and I am not even sure they are publicly available. The figures released were through the event sponsor and are listed as unofficial. All I know is people involved with the teams and racing at the time had their media face on and were "Very Diplomatic" about the situation.

[kruddler]

Kruddler, it's the magnitude of the difference that is important not the fact that there was a difference. As I understand it, really only 1/3 of the track is the important part, and in that 1/3 Button lost 7s. It cannot be shyness from Button, he drives at Monaco as you have pointed out which is as tight and as scary as any circuit they will ever encounter!

Anyway, you cannot change my opinions as they are formed from listening to industry insiders talk about it. And I am not qualified to argue the intricate details, I do not know them and I am not even sure they are publicly available. The figures released were through the event sponsor and are listed as unofficial. All I know is people involved with the teams and racing at the time had their media face on and were "Very Diplomatic" about the situation.

Turn 2 to turn 18 is your 1/3.
Clear to see that there is SFA in the other 2/3's.

You call the difference 'shyness'?

Here is why Button might have some 'shyness'


Again, you learn the track before you push to the extreme. If you get something wrong, the above occurs.

You say button isn't shy around Monaco? No $hit....because he knows the track....which is why i said put lowndes around there given the same conditions and you won't see a 7s gap unless it's the other way.

So, your mates were suprised. Bully for them.
IF this magical times you speak of are correct, it is not surprising to me and are easily explainable as i've discussed. You don't know any better and simply listen to your mate. Good for you. Pass the above info onto them and see what they have to say about it

[LP]

All we need for a perfect weekend is a Ricciardo win!

I think he is quite good in the wet, so he has a great chance if all goes well.

[Gointocarlton]

All we need for a perfect weekend is a Ricciardo win!

I think he is quite good in the wet, so he has a great chance if all goes well.

Yep. My Fantasy Footy Team won also so yes Ricca wins the F1 and I'm happy. Would have also liked Chavez to win the Giro D'Italia for Orica Green Edge but that wasnt to be.

[LP]

Aw FFS RBR what were you thinking?

[Gointocarlton]

Aw FFS RBR what were you thinking?

Terrible. But he seems quicker than Lewis, should get passed.

[kruddler]

All we need for a perfect weekend is a Ricciardo win!

I think he is quite good in the wet, so he has a great chance if all goes well.

You had to jinx it!