Daisy charged for striking Laidler! - can accept 1 game suspension

[kruddler]

Daisy was never a Judd. Daisy had not played decent football for 2 years. The two simply do not compare at all. IMO.

It doesn't compare because it hurts your argument too much.

Use Brock McLean if you want. He was also shot, hadn't played decent football. Gave up pick 11 (12?) for him and he was on 'big' money at the time.

He was a dud, until he got his body right...after 2 years...then was an important part of the midfield - 'fab 4' material!

Beggars can't be choosers.

Daisy was 'taken' with pick 67 essentially. That was the next available pick that we didnt use because we got him as a free agent.

If you prefer we took pick 67 instead of daisy....good luck to you.

[Jofo]

I see, so speculation then.

I'd assert that if the Carlton club doctor resigned because the club staff ignored advice regarding the recruitment of a player, and that ultimately turned bad, it would be all over the media.

Our club leaks like a sieve and there is nothing about this anywhere, but you are telling me two senior staff ignored a Doctor's advice and made a stand-alone decision, the doctor would not even have to say a word and our club would have leaked that like diarrhea!

Take it whichever way you like. I know it to be fact.

[PassIt2Carrots]

It doesn't compare because it hurts your argument too much.

Use Brock McLean if you want. He was also shot, hadn't played decent football. Gave up pick 11 (12?) for him and he was on 'big' money at the time.

He was a dud, until he got his body right...after 2 years...then was an important part of the midfield - 'fab 4' material!

Beggars can't be choosers.

Daisy was 'taken' with pick 67 essentially. That was the next available pick that we didnt use because we got him as a free agent.

If you prefer we took pick 67 instead of daisy....good luck to you.

Huh? We gave up a first round pick as compensation for Betts. Talk about not acknowledging something because it hurts your argument. Don't even bother questioning what we would've got for Betts, been proven a million times over. And let's not question the wasted 700k_ per year of our cap. The whole thing has been a terrible error. Only those with an agenda would even bother continuing on with your argument. Just let it go, dud decision made for all the wrong reasons = dud result. EOS.

[LP]

Take it whichever way you like. I know it to be fact.

Lets examine what we have to accept for that assertion to be true.

We have to accept that officials within the club, many of whom wanted to get rid of Malthouse, knew that Malthouse and McKay went against the opinion of the club doctor to recruit Daisy which ultimately resulted in the club doctor resigning, yet through all the sh!te storm that was the ultimate demise of Malthouse they never leaked to the media, not once, not even a hint!

Really, I mean we are talking about Carlton officials are we? ???

[kruddler]

Huh? We gave up a first round pick as compensation for Betts. Talk about not acknowledging something because it hurts your argument. Don't even bother questioning what we would've got for Betts, been proven a million times over. And let's not question the wasted 700k_ per year of our cap. The whole thing has been a terrible error. Only those with an agenda would even bother continuing on with your argument. Just let it go, dud decision made for all the wrong reasons = dud result. EOS.

Not acknowledging it, i already covered it. We never had it.

What is to say that if we didn't take daisy we weren't going to taks someone else via free agency?

You ASSUME we were getting a first round compo. You ignore the possibility that we could've got someone else.

Again, hindsight.

How many people were happy with trading Fev? I was, and i was in the minority.
How many people were happy once fev capitulated and we became clear winners in the deal? With the benifit of hindsight, things appear a lot different.

How many people were happy with trading pick 7 away for pick 19, KJ and Whiley? again, i was in the minority.
How many people are happy with Boeky now and how we appear to be clear winners in that deal now? Hindsight.

You cannot get every deal right. Fact.
We didn't get the daisy deal right. Still playing out, but looking like a fact at present.
Was it worth the chance? Yes, and i'd do it all again tomorrow given the chance because the next one might turn out better ala Judd.

[PassIt2Carrots]

How many people were happy with trading Fev? I was, and i was in the minority.
How many people were happy once fev capitulated and we became clear winners in the deal? With the benifit of hindsight, things appear a lot different.

Exactly HOW were we winners in the Fev deal?

[LP]

He was a dud, until he got his body right...after 2 years...then was an important part of the midfield - 'fab 4' material!

I don't know were that idea comes from but it's repeated often and it's just not true. McLean was ripping it up in the VFL in his 2nd season and could not get a game, he had been written off by the club as being too slow for AFL. Yet in that year Bookmakers had him as 2nd favourite for the J.J. Liston trophy at $7 ahead of winner Valenti $9.

The rest of your post I agree with.

[kruddler]

Exactly HOW were we winners in the Fev deal?

1. We didn't have to pay him 2mil+ he was contracted for over the next 3 years.
2. We traded him for Hendo+pick 12 (lucas) - We got more out of Hendo than Fev offered the lions.
3. We traded Hendo for Geelongs pick, which we ontraded for 4 gws boys, plus pick 8 (Which turned into Harry McKay).

End result, we saved 2 mil bucks and now have potentially a 10 year key forward (Harry McKay) as well as Lamb, Plowman, Phillips and Sumner.

So you tell me, how are we NOT winners from the fev deal!

[kruddler]

I don't know were that idea comes from but it's repeated often and it's just not true. McLean was ripping it up in the VFL in his 2nd season and could not get a game, he had been written off by the club as being too slow for AFL. Yet in that year Bookmakers had him as 2nd favourite for the J.J. Liston trophy at $7 ahead of winner Valenti $9.

The rest of your post I agree with.

Plenty of gun VFL players who are no good at AFL level.

When he stepped up, he simply wasn't good enough at the time. Didn't have the fitness for AFL level due to the lack of training he'd done over the previous couple of years.

[LP]

Plenty of gun VFL players who are no good at AFL level.

When he stepped up, he simply wasn't good enough at the time. Didn't have the fitness for AFL level due to the lack of training he'd done over the previous couple of years.

Krudds, in his second season(2011) he played Bullants midfield and average nearly 40 possessions. He was named amongst the best in 13 out of 17 games, and played four other rounds in the AFL. Fitness was not an issue, our clubs perception of him was the big problem. I remember late in 2011 Ratten talking about him when asked by media at a post match press conference, I don't recall the exact words but Ratten inferred they should have trusted McLean's football ability and played him at AFL level sooner.