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The GWS Gang - Will They Or Won't They ??
#11
(03-08-2016, 06:17 AM)Amers link Wrote:For me it's too early and too hard to tell which players will and won't make it.
I reckon if we can get 200 games out of these 6 players as a collective, it will have been a win.
If they don't then Boekhurst and Kerridge will both have to become super stars for us to come out in front for these particular trades.

You've set the bar pretty low Amers.  I reckon at least one of them has to play 100 games.  Still, 200 games out of all six suggests that they would be depth players and we definitely need more depth.
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#12
I think Boeky is our best hope thus far even though he didn't come from GWS, he was part of the deal. The rest are all real concerns ATM.
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#13
I wanted to keep our picks and I've seen nothing to change my mind. Most of these guys would have ended up on the GWS scrap heap by the end of next season.

Cannon fodder until some talent comes through the door but where there's life there's hope.
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(03-08-2016, 07:05 AM)ItsOurTime link Wrote:I wanted to keep our picks and I've seen nothing to change my mind. Most of these guys would have ended up on the GWS scrap heap by the end of next season.

Cannon fodder until some talent comes through the door but where there's life there's hope.
A bit harsh there, but it is the lads who have to prove that the pudding is worth eating.

Of the 2014 deal players, Jaksch is the most likely to make, but I really want to see some improvement this year.
Of the deal itself, we got Boekhorst, Jaksch and Whiley for one guy who has played less senior footy than any of our 3. While it may not have been the greatest deal ever, we don't look like losing from it.

Of the 2015 guys, I like Plowman. I think he could be a very good player, if he can stay on the park.
Phillips is the surprise to me, both in his size and athleticism and in his leap. We have always struggled against the Weagles when Nic Nat has been playing because of his leap. We couldn't counter it, and so got smashed in the midfield. Phillips could be a good weapon here. Like Hampson before him, he has a long way to go before he becomes a top ruckman, but he does have more tools than most and more likelihood of beating Nic Nat at his own game.
I haven't seen enough of Lamb or Sumner to really rate them, but their histories do not make me confident. But, as they start so far down, they could be huge pickups if they can come good. I just don't expect it.
The other part of that deal, Kerridge, looks like to be worth the effort. But one swallow does not a summer make.
Basically, we look to have done reasonably from this deal.

The 2014 deal does not look like it was inspired, more that the quality of the 2014 top picks doesn't look too good.
The 2015 deal looks a lot stronger as a deal.
But it is going to be years before we work out if we have really won here,
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#15
All of the 6 have a LOT to prove at this point. But Lamb looked good against the Hawks and Sumner and Plowman are yet to appear.

Jaksch has to become a marking forward - Justin Westhoff type. He's not big enough to be a backman.

Whiley - I really liked the look of him when he first turned up... now not so much. Physically not strong enough to play the role. Ed Curnow was absolutely horrific against Essendon - hacked the ball forward straight to bummers even when under little/no pressure - so there might be a spot there if he can find some confidence. Looks naturally short on confidence though.

Phillips - I really can't see him working out. Would love to be proved wrong but drops everything other than the most basic marks and fumbles a lot on the ground. Not tall enough to be just a tap ruckman... albeit this rating is based on 2 NAB cup games.
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#16
In Juddy's book he make his feelings felt about players with all the ability but a lack of commitment. You cut them loose. He'd rather someone who has a go. His rationale was motivation has to come from within. You can't keep having to motivate players. Only those skilled players on the cusp who need just a small amount of external pressure to get them over the line are worth the effort.

Taking this view I worry about all of them. Plowman maybe if he can get fit.
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#17
(03-08-2016, 06:55 AM)DJC link Wrote:You've set the bar pretty low Amers.  I reckon at least one of them has to play 100 games.  Still, 200 games out of all six suggests that they would be depth players and we definitely need more depth.

Maybe, 200 is at the low end of what I would consider being a success. It would take 1 player to play 100 and another couple to play 50 games each or something similar. I reckon a couple of that lot will be lucky to play 20 games in Navy Blue, so the others will have to fill in the gaps.
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#18
(03-09-2016, 12:40 AM)Amers link Wrote:Maybe, 200 is at the low end of what I would consider being a success. It would take 1 player to play 100 and another couple to play 50 games each or something similar. I reckon a couple of that lot will be lucky to play 20 games in Navy Blue, so the others will have to fill in the gaps.

I suppose you can look at this as averages, but 200 games out of six players I think would be below average for the AFL. Do we know what the current up to date AFL averages are, I think they were about 4 years and less than 50 games one or two years back?

The averages need to be put into context over how many teams they include, because including GWS and GC skews the value of using averages if they are constrained to only go back a couple of years. Plus the use of extended lists might have an influence when you consider injury time, work load, etc., etc..

But I would think 200 games total from 6 players is below average, 300 might be closer to the mark.
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#19
(03-08-2016, 09:55 AM)jeza link Wrote:All of the 6 have a LOT to prove at this point. But Lamb looked good against the Hawks and Sumner and Plowman are yet to appear.

Jaksch has to become a marking forward - Justin Westhoff type. He's not big enough to be a backman.

Whiley - I really liked the look of him when he first turned up... now not so much. Physically not strong enough to play the role. Ed Curnow was absolutely horrific against Essendon - hacked the ball forward straight to bummers even when under little/no pressure - so there might be a spot there if he can find some confidence. Looks naturally short on confidence though.

Phillips - I really can't see him working out. Would love to be proved wrong but drops everything other than the most basic marks and fumbles a lot on the ground. Not tall enough to be just a tap ruckman... albeit this rating is based on 2 NAB cup games.
Highlights granted, but some decent contested marks here...

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2015-10...w-phillips
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(03-09-2016, 01:13 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Highlights granted, but some decent contested marks here...

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2015-10...w-phillips
Some very nice highlights there agreed, that bloke definitely didnt turn up against the Scum at PP. The dropped marks (relative sitters) in the first qtr were met with some groans by the Carton hierarchy I was sitting in front of. Having said that, he seems to have the tools.
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