NAB Challenge - Carlton v Hawthorn @ Aurora Stadium

[DJC]

I was well aware of that smarta$$.  My argument wasn't that Gibbs ran out of steam, it was that he never got going in the first place.  Can you wrap your head around that or would you like another passive aggressive dig?

You're entitled to your opinion, flawed as it may be 

[PaulP]

He was good for the first 1.5 quarters. Then backed off. I'm not sure what the issue is.

It was obviously an instruction to have a good run around.

Just some absolute tripe on here this morning.

Not you PaulP.

Thanks cimm.

I'm sure I have my lairy moments as much as the next bloke.

[SPORNTON]

On Gibbs - whilst I get as annoyed as anyone with his occasional lackadaisical performances, I wonder whether there is something coaches and club see in him that we don't ?

If what is touted around here is fair and accurate, how is it possible that he has managed to stooge 3 successive regimes (4 if you count Den Den) ?

Something doesn't add up.

It's a simple answer PaulP.  Initially Gibbs was given time as a developing youngster, so Pagan was patient.  Then Ratten noted that Gibbs was often played out of position under the previous regime, so he was given more time to establish himself as a mid.  Then under Malthouse, for the first year senile Mick was FIXATED on his love affair with Bryce when previously coaching him in the International Rules Series (?????????).  Then Gibbs had his first belter of a season and was re-signed for 5 years.  As for now, well, Bolton is taking last year with a grain of salt as Gibbs was injured for much of it and we were a laughing stock.  Still, I, and a select group of enlightened others noted in Gibbs' limited performances last year he completely lacked any desire whatsoever, and we saw it again last night.

I'm uncertain how Bolton views Gibbs yet.  The fact that he lost out to Simpson on VC in his twilight suggests he isn't as highly rated as under previous regimes.  God I hope so.  The day Gibbs gets dropped for even a single match is the day I will need to change my underpants. 

[PaulP]

It's sick.  I actually haven't a clue what game you were watching.  I watched every single second of that match, so for you to say Gibbs was good for a whole 1.5 quarters suggests you are either trying to get a rise or are an idiot.  Can you shed some light on which is the case?

You and the club can't both be right. Either he's a terrifically convincing con artist, or the club think he's worth keeping. They've had a few chances to offload him, and haven't taken any. 

EDIT : I saw your previous answer after I posted.

[SPORNTON]

You're entitled to your opinion, flawed as it may be 

There should be a universal test for who knows the slightest thing about football - if you think Bryce Gibbs is a half decent footballer, you fail.

[SPORNTON]

You and the club can't both be right. Either he's a terrifically convincing con artist, or the club think he's worth keeping. They've had a few chances to offload him, and haven't taken any.

They had one option to, and that was to trade him for pick 2 a couple of years back.  EVEN if we didn't require a rebuild we were stupid to not take it.  The fact that we did require a rebuild but were too arrogant to notice it back then and make the trade is the reason why we are paying the ultimate price now and are behind clubs like Melbourne and St Kilda. 

[flyboy77]

Key comment in the thread, we were well in it in the first quarter, had the ball , won the contested possies, BUT still didnt capitalise on the score board, we dont have the cattle for this. Some one smarter than I will be able to find the fact on this, but if we lined up a list of the forward line players and checked what is the highest amount of goals they have kicked in a game it will show quickly what out capabilities are.
Eg Casboult i beleive kicked 4 once , and some 3's , and he is our lead player there.
Kerrige 6 for Adelaide , hope thats a bonus for us shows he might be a multiple goal kicker for us
Who is next Murphy , thinking 4 or 5 once?
We dont have players that on their day can impact on the scoreboard to create match winning score board pressure for us. We have players that can get 25-30 possies but unless we score its doesnt have the same effect, and that will always keep us chasing.
In the last 10 yrs or so , Waite, Fev ...forward line generals , at times Hendo were go to people , we wont progress till we change the structure , dont believe we have the players on board this year to do it.

Walker - 6
Gibbs - 4
Thomas - 4
Everitt - 4
Kreuzer - 3
Murph - 4

[PassIt2Carrots]

They had one option to, and that was to trade him for pick 2 a couple of years back.  EVEN if we didn't require a rebuild we were stupid to not take it.  The fact that we did require a rebuild but were too arrogant to notice it back then and make the trade is the reason why we are paying the ultimate price now and are behind clubs like Melbourne and St Kilda. 

Gibbs is only on 500k, I would be more looking at the blokes at the club that are on 700k personally.

[SPORNTON]

Walker - 6
Gibbs - 4
Thomas - 4
Everitt - 4
Kreuzer - 3
Murph - 4

Nah surely now we aren't considering players' highest bags as true indicators of their ongoing potential as a genuine forward option. Sick sick sick.

[cimm1979]

It's sick.  I actually haven't a clue what game you were watching.  I watched every single second of that match, so for you to say Gibbs was good for a whole 1.5 quarters suggests you are either trying to get a rise or are an idiot.  Can you shed some light on which is the case?

Take the meds dude.