Trumpled (Alternative Leading)

[LP]

You really are a conspiracy theorist aren't you LP.

Well at least on some topics.

It would be ironic for the MAGA crew to cry conspiracy!

I suppose the shooter migrated from Hawaii, but was born from Haitian Father ( A chef who specialised in "not so wild" game creole! ) and Mexican Mother ( A nurse at a "late term" abortion clinic! :o )

[LP]

But how quick did they spot and capture this guy - anyone would think they already knew he was going to be there......  :-X

They've already broadcast a live on air interview with the special agent who spotted "The Shooter", took a pot shot at him, and then reported the vehicle number plate to authorities as he tried to escape.

Given the events that unfolded, I'm pegging disgruntled GOP supporter.

But given Trump's financial history, it could be a disgruntled creditor!

I believe Trump has already filed an appeal with the Golf Club Committee for a Muliigan! ;D

Trying to kill somebody is abhorrent, Trump is making the world a meaner more dangerous place, if he can't save himself he's happy to flush it all down the crapter! As a result of Trump's behaviour public life is now more dangerous to pretty much everyone around the globe, and possibly including the general public!

[PaulP]

I guess it's dumb on my part to suggest that America might be a better and safer place to live if they weren't freely and legally allowed to carry assault rifles, and if they weren't constantly pursuing a factually incorrect, hate filled political agenda, but what do I know ?

[DJC]

Who needs a debate to prove your worth as POTUS....... just go out and dodge some nutters with AK47s.

But how quick did they spot and capture this guy - anyone would think they already knew he was going to be there......  :-X

Well, the secret service security detail are highly trained and are actively looking for shooters.

Of course, the agent could have been tipped off by the smell of BBQd cat.

Seriously though, the shooter is a US citizen who is apparently concerned about Aurangzeb doing Putin's bidding over Ukraine. That could place him anywhere on the political spectrum.

You'd think that they would be relying on more sophisticated security surveillance than an agent prowling ahead of Aurangzeb's party.  Of course, it's possible that the agent was alerted to the presence of the gunman by a thermal imaging drone or similar.

[DJC]

I guess it's dumb on my part to suggest that America might be a better and safer place to live if they weren't freely and legally allowed to carry assault rifles, and if they weren't constantly pursuing a factually incorrect, hate filled political agenda, but what do I know ?

I suspect that a ban on assault rifles isn't far off and some States already have such bans in place.  That's as far as it will go with the 2nd Amendment and entrenched gun ownership.  Both Kamala Harris and Tim Walz are gun owners.  I don't know about Aurangzeb, but, I suspect that he would avoid firearms and rely on others to do his dirty work.

I heard a vox pop with MAGA supporters recently where they were complaining about anti-MAGA protestors.  The reporter asked, "What about the 1st Amendment?" and the MAGA responded, "The right to bear arms?"  The reporter gently explained that the 1st Amendment was about free speech and the MAGA looked puzzled and asked, "What's that got to do with the protestors?"

[LP]

The only way I can deal with being saturated with Trump's behaviour is to take the piss out of him, there are real world consequences that many people have to live with because of that blockheads loud mouth antics!

You'd think that they would be relying on more sophisticated security surveillance than an agent prowling ahead of Aurangzeb's party.  Of course, it's possible that the agent was alerted to the presence of the gunman by a thermal imaging drone or similar.

Weather permitting they do use high altitude drones around the candidates similar to our new MQ-4C Triton, the cost of protecting him shooting his mouth off without restraint is astronomical.

Years ago I did some work in Tuscon, part of it was with a company making optical parts, some of them turned out to be for the space spy telescopes, one of which would go on to become Hubble ST. I didn't know that at the time, I'm not sure anybody in the company knew what they were for, but the optical engineer did the math and told me the optics as designed if made to specification could resolve a person standing on a street corner reading a newspaper from geostationary orbit. They also had a fancy interferometer, that when pointed towards a brick or concrete wall could record conservations being held on the other side of the wall just from the vibrations in the masonry. We only found this out by accident, because we were making too much noise and f0rked up their calibration process. Not suggesting they use that stuff for Trump, but it's an idea of the capability they had 30 years ago!

There are several privately held US companies that sub-contract drone surveillance to regional law enforcement, maybe Florida is one of those regions. It was actually considered for Victoria a few years back, the authorities get a time lapse view of vehicle and foot traffic movements that can be rewound in real time. I think much of it is now displaced by voluntary schemes like the one here in Victoria that allows people to register web and security cameras for the free use by Vicpol.

In summary, we have no idea what they have and haven't got, it's far more than you think but not as much as Hollywood suggests.

[DJC]

The golf course shooter is a Republican, like the late Thomas Crooks.

[tonyo]

Can't help feeling that the US is going to degenerate into divided chaos - that's what happens when you let your democratic process be swallowed by a popularity competition largely decided by who has the most money to spin the story.

The despots sitting on the other side of the world must be sitting back laughing - watching it all come undone without them needing to do a single thing......

Both sides of US politics better get their respective acts together, for all our sakes.

[Gointocarlton]

Can't help feeling that the US is going to degenerate into divided chaos - that's what happens when you let your democratic process be swallowed by a popularity competition largely decided by who has the most money to spin the story.

The despots sitting on the other side of the world must be sitting back laughing - watching it all come undone without them needing to do a single thing......

Both sides of US politics better get their respective acts together, for all our sakes.

Going to degenerate you say? Already there.

[LP]

The USA doesn't need any extra enemies when it has a friend like Elon Musk!

Musk seems motivated to keep the US parties as close to a stalemate as possible, I suppose that delivers the cheapest bang for buck option to the big corporates in terms of a dollars for influence basis. If either party dominate, things get tougher and more expensive for Elon.

A lot of people paint Musk as pro-Trump, but if you take a global view then you find outside of the USA, his companies like Starlink, Tesla or X can take a corporate political position that is the polar opposite.

I gather that is not by accident, he can then offer himself as the solution to both sides of the debate, probably disingenuous but very very profitable!