General Discussions

[PaulP]

Come off it Pat. That reply 1897 is margin alarmism at its finest.

[LP]

Come off it Pat. That reply 1897 is margin alarmism at its finest.

Australia is already poorly funded for Research and R&D, every dollar is critical, we can't afford to waste them.

Repeat that scenario across similar activities, and it adds up, much of it because of some demand for a pronoun, or robbing hard fought research funds to cover for mental health issue. It's a proper tragedy

PS; Now I'm a rose petal, I demand equal funding for research into my botrytis blight!

[PaulP]

Australia is already poorly funded for Research and R&D, every dollar is critical, we can't afford to waste them.

Repeat that scenario across similar activities, and it adds up, much of it because of some demand for a pronoun, or robbing hard fought research funds to cover for mental health issue. It's a proper tragedy

PS; Now I'm a rose petal, I demand equal funding for research into my botrytis blight!

None of which has any bearing on the handful of folks who would fail to match your exacting criteria for identifying as a female, and would according to you, be diverting funds from........what exactly ? Let me guess. "Real women" ? I'm really not sure why you or anyone else feels qualified to judge someone else's gender identity or sexual orientation. I guess social media has seen an unprecedented increase in the rise of the insta-expert.

[Thryleon]

None of which has any bearing on the handful of folks who would fail to match your exacting criteria for identifying as a female, and would according to you, be diverting funds from........what exactly ? Let me guess. "Real women" ? I'm really not sure why you or anyone else feels qualified to judge someone else's gender identity or sexual orientation. I guess social media has seen an unprecedented increase in the rise of the insta-expert.

Paul, I'm sensitive to the plight of transgender folk.

Asking to participate in a study on menopause helps absolutely nobody unless they're a biological woman identifying as a male.

If they're a biological male identifying as female they're useless to the study.

[LP]

None of which has any bearing on the handful of folks who would fail to match your exacting criteria for identifying as a female, and would according to you, be diverting funds from........what exactly ? Let me guess. "Real women" ? I'm really not sure why you or anyone else feels qualified to judge someone else's gender identity or sexual orientation. I guess social media has seen an unprecedented increase in the rise of the insta-expert.

Why would you conflate a request to avoid wasting taxpayer funds with some sort of gender prejudice.

Surely, for the purposes of a female health study, you are not asserting somebody is genuinely female just because they can label themselves as female, even if they have no womb and suffer no menopause?

On the flipside, as with the transgender in sport debate, how is this fair to females who suffer endometriosis or early onset menopause?

This isn't an equality, it's a waste of funds through deception.

If someone who isn't female but identifies as female, genuinely feel they are suffering endometriosis or early onset menopause, it's likely that condition is psychiatric not physical and they need mental health assistance not physiotherapy. I have full sympathy for them, but they shouldn't be wasting funds to research physical health issues.

This isn't a study into people who "Think they have endometriosis", maybe if the study included hypochondria it's valid!

[ElwoodBlues1]

Agree with LP, Medical Resources are limited and there has to be proper criteria to be part of any study and unless you are a biological woman I cant see how you qualify for R/D into endometriosis and early onset menopause.
Reality and common sense has to be the priority and not have gender ID issues as part of the framework for discussion, thats for another study.

[LP]

Reality and common sense has to be the priority and not have gender ID issues as part of the framework for discussion, thats for another study.

Yep, why was it included?

It feels either a political or mental health issue, and either seems a waste of funds.

[Gointocarlton]

Agree with LP, Medical Resources are limited and there has to be proper criteria to be part of any study and unless you are a biological woman I cant see how you qualify for R/D into endometriosis and early onset menopause.
Reality and common sense has to be the priority and not have gender ID issues as part of the framework for discussion, thats for another study.

What is this "common sense" thing you speak of? Where does one obtain it? Online or in store only? Please elaborate as i'd like to get me a few dozen to hand out as gifts to people.

[LP]

What is this "common sense" thing you speak of? Where does one obtain it? Online or in store only? Please elaborate as i'd like to get me a few dozen to hand out as gifts to people.

Facebook Trader, going cheap! ;D

[ElwoodBlues1]

Yep, why was it included?

It feels either a political or mental health issue, and either seems a waste of funds.

Probably a bit of both, trying to be fair, there maybe issues of phantom symptoms after hormone treatments, surgery etc where a transgender female might experience pain or other problems similar to those being studied etc but that is for a different study and separate funding if available.
This study is catering to a majority group with specific criteria and you cant include every medical segway, as we all know there are many conditions that affect minorities but the money/facilities just isnt there and why we have the many fundraisers we see today.