AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

[kruddler]

[member=906]Lods[/member] don't give the timing stuff oxygen, [member=105]Thryleon[/member] and myself were probably typing at the same time, the initial comments were just a cheap rock throwing deflection tactic.

Its all there for all to see. You chose to ignore the comments multiple times during the game from multiple people but kept posting the same thing.

There was at least 3 people asking you to qualify your comments.
You couldn't.

In hindsight, you've come up with Young. In hindsight.


You've been found out trying to change history to suit your arguments.....and you attack me as deflection.
The use of Ben McKay proves you don't understand the debate.

[madbluboy]

If we had Ben McKay, Kemp and Cowan would be fighting for the same spot.

[kruddler]

It's not different from our currently available option, it has the same affect on the bench time you are so precious about.

You can't have your cake and eat it.

Further, moving Cincotta and one of McGovern/Kemp out of D50 for McKay reduces our run and carry of the back line, all your shuffles are fast and more aerobic than Ben McKay.

Does it affect our mid rotations?
No.

Does it affect our goal scoring ability?
No.

Does it increase our ability to defend and cover injuries?
Yes.

Where is the issue?

[kruddler]

If we had Ben McKay, Kemp and Cowan would be fighting for the same spot.

Cowan plays on smalls
Kemp (and McGovern) plays (or should) on mediums.
.....but could give us another swing option.

[LP]

Cowan plays on smalls
Kemp (and McGovern) plays (or should) on mediums.
.....but could give us another swing option.

It changes the balance of D50, we have less cover for smalls, move Kemp and McGovern out of D50 and you lose one of our key intercept players. You can't have all of them up the ground intercepting, someone has to stay home, and in the absence of injury it won't be two KPDs spend 100% of time on ground, one of them will have to get up the ground, and we'd start from a base of less defensive run and carry.

That would force the Mids to run deeper both ways, that's burning their saved bench time, again you can't have your cake and eat it.

The more KPDs that stay on the ground longer, the more they also have to run and cover ground, you force the blokes with the least aerobic capacity, speed and agility to do more of what they are weakest at!

So maybe Newman, Saad and Boyd can get up the round, until there is the inevitable skill error and turnover, at which time the Titanics are left guarding a Jet Ski.

The total game and bench time doesn't change, it's not an infinite resource.

[LP]

Offering solutions without consequence is meaningless.

I fully admit my occasional solution comes at a cost, it costs some reduced seconds of bench time to a handful of the 22 spread over 4-qtrs of footy, but otherwise it further boosts our strengths possibly negating the impact of our weakness.

The very best defence, might simply minimising how many times you actually have to defend.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Defense wasnt the issue, the ball went down there too quickly  and without any pressure, they stacked their team with runners and we couldnt get the ball in the 2nd and 3rd quarters as they were hitting every pass , spreading well, and were too pacy for our slower onballers  who looked like treacle.
Cripps, Walsh and TDK have to win their positions well for us to control and win games and they didnt.......same thing happened vs the Swans. Thats the Blueprint to beat us and it wont happen often but there are those teams like the Swans and GWS on their own home decks who have the equipment and gamestyle to trouble us.

[kruddler]

It changes the balance of D50, we have less cover for smalls, move Kemp and McGovern out of D50 and you lose one of our key intercept players. You can't have all of them up the ground intercepting, someone has to stay home, and in the absence of injury it won't be two KPDs spend 100% of time on ground, one of them will have to get up the ground, and we'd start from a base of less defensive run and carry.

That would force the Mids to run deeper both ways, that's burning their saved bench time, again you can't have your cake and eat it.

The more KPDs that stay on the ground longer, the more they also have to run and cover ground, you force the blokes with the least aerobic capacity, speed and agility to do more of what they are weakest at!

So maybe Newman, Saad and Boyd can get up the round, until there is the inevitable skill error and turnover, at which time the Titanics are left guarding a Jet Ski.

The total game and bench time doesn't change, it's not an infinite resource.

2 things.
1. KPPs get no rest most games....for any team.

2. You say my idea of having Ben McKay can't work. But your idea of having Young can.

Do you even know what you are arguing at the moment? You just keep shovelling dirt not realising you are digging yourself deeper.

[LP]

Defense wasnt the issue, the ball went down there too quickly  and without any pressure, they stacked their team with runners and we couldnt get the ball in the 2nd and 3rd quarters as they were hitting every pass , spreading well and were too pacy for our slower onballers  who looked like treacle.
Cripps, Walsh and TDK have to win their positions well for us to control and win games and they didnt.......same thing happened vs the Swans. Thats the Blueprint to beat us and it wont happen often but there are those teams like the Swans and GWS on their own home decks who have the equipment and gamestyle to trouble us.

Agreed, I don't think our D50 has been the issue (excluding losing Weiters which will hurt no matter who we hold as sub), if we can't do anything else we just have to maximise our chances of midfield dominance and then do our very best not to waste the footy.

[LP]

Do you even know what you are arguing at the moment? You just keep shovelling dirt not realising you are digging yourself deeper.

My proposal is referentially self-consistent, I'm not contradicting my own case like your posts.

You can't have your cake and eat it, you can't have more players on the ground providing less run and still have maximum run and carry from the Mids no matter what you do with bench time. It's obvious, less run at either end of the ground has to be covered, and as [member=57]ElwoodBlues1[/member] points out, like many others on this forum, run and carry is our weakness.

Your solution comes at the very cost you have spent weeks maximally arguing against.

My proposal comes at a cost, bench time for Mids will be reduced, I argue that will have minimal impact, in much the same way that the injuries to TDK, Weiters and McGovern yesterday which reduced on field run and consumed extra bench time didn't stop us finishing strongly. But the advantage I think is in the flexibility it brings, the option to reshuffle and offer cover for unexpected circumstances at both either end of the ground.

As much as I hate the thought of Young in the ruck, he's still an option that brings flexibility, unlike yesterday's only solution to wrap and strap the broken so as to wheel them back out there!

From a season long perspective that loss wasn't the worst thing that could have happen from wheeling out the limping, but on GF day, if we get there, there won't be next week!