AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

[kruddler]

https://www.northweststar.com.au/story/8...says-voss/

"And he's able to do that and I'm sure over a period of time he'll become a very valuable member of our team."

He'll BECOME a very valuable member.
as opposed to
He IS a very valuable member.

I don't expect Vossy to say any player is 'no good', you expect him to say what he said. But lets read between the lines (like above) rather than drinking the kool-aid.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Doing a "role" is the latest catch phrase excuse for a player who can't get a kick.
Fantasia spent half a season in the SANFL playing ok football but was bypassed by Hinkley and crew even when they had nothing of note ie McEntee taking his place, he was playing a role too.
I like Orazio for his smarts and skills but he isn't getting it done and should have only got a one year deal initially imo and we now have the situation where the coach is having to defend recruiting him and trying to justify his position in the team. He is getting a game for two reasons imo and they are lack of fit in form alternatives and the coach not willing to admit he is out of form and delivering what he thought he would.
This week will test him along with Williams and Fogarty given Essendon have some very attacking small defenders who are starring at the moment and Orazio in particular will need to provide defensive pressure if he ends up on Martin, McGrath etc especially if he isn't kicking goals or doing much to create them..

[madbluboy]

He is playing Cottrell's high half forward role at the moment.  He's not going to kick many goals or get huge numbers.

[kruddler]

He is playing Cottrell's high half forward role at the moment.  He's not going to kick many goals or get huge numbers.

Weird comparison that seems to make a point for the opposing point of view.

7.6 disposals a game and 0.2 goals a game (fantasia)
vs
13 disposals a game and 0.9 goals a game. (cottrell)

[madbluboy]

Weird comparison that seems to make a point for the opposing point of view.

7.6 disposals a game and 0.2 goals a game (fantasia)
vs
13 disposals a game and 0.9 goals a game. (cottrell)

What is my view?

If Cottrell is fit he takes his spot back.

[kruddler]

What is my view?

If Cottrell is fit he takes his spot back.

Obviously.

But plenty of others could do the same role, with a better stat line.

Everyone keeps making excuses for Fantasia.
Perhaps he just isn't what people think he is.

[madbluboy]

Sometimes personal stats isn't what is best for the team.

[kruddler]

Sometimes personal stats isn't what is best for the team.

Tackles, pressure acts, goal assists.....pick a stat....any stat. What IS his value to the team?

If his value is so high, why don't we recruit 10 more players who don't kick goals, or get disposals, or lay tackles......

[LP]

He is playing Cottrell's high half forward role at the moment.  He's not going to kick many goals or get huge numbers.

Possibly, but then there is the other 7 games Fantasia played when Cottrell was in the squad.

We don't know how he is coached, but he's having 1/2 the impact of Owies and Cottrell despite having 10 more years of experience.

[PaulP]

Possibly, but then there is the other 7 games Fantasia played when Cottrell was in the squad.

We don't know how he is coached, but he's having 1/2 the impact of Owies and Cottrell despite having 10 more years of experience.

We also don't know what his role specifically is. I suspect his biggest issue is inaccuracy. He's kicked 2.6 this season, which is low for such an excellent finisher. I'd hazard a guess that with such a long time out of the game, that it's taking a while for him to regain his touch. Just a little off IMO. I think his confidence will increase once he jags a few goals.