AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

[DJC]

Pretty much.

Fantasia is 'doing his role' is fine. But what was he doing that Durdin wasn't? Its certainly not kicking goals.
Going through all the stats show very similar.
Plenty have noted Durdin on the last line of defence, so he is clearly working hard as well.

My point about Motlop which most seem to have missed is that pure output wise, he is $hitting all over Fantasia, despite being 10 years younger.
Usually when you recruit a mature age player, you do so knowing that you'll get MORE output that the kids they are replacing.

Not the case with him.

Durdin is ahead in goals but that’s it, and his last five or six games yielded no goals and little else. Fantasia does more behind and around the ball and Voss is clearly happier with the role that Fantasia is performing.

Motlop’s form from last season is irrelevant; he hasn’t been available and his form in what was virtually a practice game for him was average. Motlop is also a very different type of player to Fantasia in that his impact is as a forward and the latter does more work behind the ball.

That said, I wouldn’t hesitate to replace Fantasia with Motlop or Martin if they were fit and in form.  Same with Durdin.

[pinot]

Cerra, Cotterell, Motlop, Doc and JSOS make us a better team so plenty more upside to come.

The rest have been getting paid while not doing anything. But provide some hope that one day they might come good even though some are turning or about to turn 30 next couple of seasons.

Fantasia hasn't been kicking goals and doesn't need to be good but Zac isn't even a forward and plays the role much better.

[kruddler]

Durdin is ahead in goals but that’s it, and his last five or six games yielded no goals and little else. Fantasia does more behind and around the ball and Voss is clearly happier with the role that Fantasia is performing.

Motlop’s form from last season is irrelevant; he hasn’t been available and his form in what was virtually a practice game for him was average. Motlop is also a very different type of player to Fantasia in that his impact is as a forward and the latter does more work behind the ball.

That said, I wouldn’t hesitate to replace Fantasia with Motlop or Martin if they were fit and in form.  Same with Durdin.

I wouldn't say voss is happy with Fantasias output, if he was he wouldn't be making him sub and subbing him out as often as he does.

Fantasia might be following orders and thats keeping him in the side, but he is not performing 'well'.

I'd prefer cuningham, martin or motlop in the side ahead of him.....and even durdin.....but only with 1 of them available is he 'doing his job'.

[LP]

Fantasia might be following orders and thats keeping him in the side, but he is not performing 'well'.

Agreed, and he'll probably be retained in that circumstance, last Thursday I thought he was again a little bit better, he'll need to improve further against CheatsFC.

But having said that when you watch the replay there are a couple of ordinary moments where you can see Fantasia around a disputed footy choose to hang back while a team mate suffers an opposition blitzkrieg. I immediately thought of the time sMurph was being pummelled and Touhy and Henderson jogged on by, no matter what your role might be in my book is that choice of action is unacceptable. You go onto the field of play expecting your team-mates to have your back, so you better have theirs too, whether they are being assaulted or set upon for the footy, you must help!

One other thing I've noticed I presume he is also carrying and injury, I had expected Fantasia to be the fleet footed option of our smalls but at the moment he appears to be the slowest of the lot.

[kruddler]

Agreed, and he'll probably be retained in that circumstance, last Thursday I thought he was again a little bit better, he'll need to improve further against CheatsFC.

But having said that when you watch the replay there are a couple of ordinary moments where you can see Fantasia around a disputed footy choose to hang back while a team mate suffers an opposition blitzkrieg. I immediately thought of the time sMurph was being pummelled and Touhy and Henderson jogged on by, no matter what your role might be in my book is that choice of action is unacceptable. You go onto the field of play expecting your team-mates to have your back, so you better have theirs too, whether they are being assaulted or set upon for the footy, you must help!

One other thing I've noticed I presume he is also carrying and injury, I had expected Fantasia to be the fleet footed option of our smalls but at the moment he appears to be the slowest of the lot.

I remember Fantasia was always called soft previously. I've seen a few examples of it while playing with us, but i'm very hesitent to call players out for it.

But, If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck- , and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck

[Adelaideblue]

Carlton members in allocated section.      (and about time!!)

What a great night for Adelaide based supporters.... slashing win, the boys really wanted it!

We have endured some "tough" games at Adelaide Oval including on the scoreboard!  Usually with seating right in the middle of Port or Crows supporters. So this time, great to have seating in a Carlton members section. 

After siren we stood and sang the song with gusto!

Ab

[LoveNavy]

Carlton members in allocated section.      (and about time!!)

What a great night for Adelaide based supporters.... slashing win, the boys really wanted it!

We have endured some "tough" games at Adelaide Oval including on the scoreboard!  Usually with seating right in the middle of Port or Crows supporters. So this time, great to have seating in a Carlton members section. 

After siren we stood and sang the song with gusto!

Ab

That's a big win for the club and the boys did it with G & D, topped with a bit of class.

Glad the Adelaide Baggers finally got that sweet taste of success. Enjoy strutting around the streets in your navy blue.

[PaulP]

https://www.northweststar.com.au/story/8...says-voss/

[LP]

https://www.northweststar.com.au/story/8...says-voss/

I do understand that, but it's not an exemption from the call, if you're a courier in the great war and you unfortunately run into a platoon of enemy with no chance for escape, you've no choice but to fight!

[PaulP]

I do understand that, but it's not an exemption from the call, if you're a courier in the great war and you unfortunately run into a platoon of enemy with no chance for escape, you've no choice but to fight!

Pat, leave aside whatever it is you witnessed all those years ago. Just think through the implications for a second. Fantasia supposedly has a reputation for being soft. He's been in the system since 2014, so is a known quantity. Voss himself has been in the system for decades, was his assistant coach at Port, so they know each other personally and professionally. Voss was the toughest and most uncompromising player of his era. If we believe that these things are true, then Voss is either incompetent (no ability to recognize softness) or corrupt (recognizes this softness but ignores it), or both. And if that's true, then we are wasting our time with Voss and he should be sacked.

There is the additional issue of Fantasia winning the approval and trust of his team mates, and he does this by......... pack skirting ?

Any chance we could let this "player x is soft" nonsense just die ? Surely this has to be the laziest fan trope in sporting history ?