AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

[ElwoodBlues1]

Williams is not a defender per se', we all know that and Chris Scott exploited it to perfection. Unfortunately, his team mates (in defence) let him down by lack of support. Zac is a creative run and carry HB with good disposal skills, yesterday he was taken to places he just didn't want to go to. He and his team mates will review it and learn. The key to a premiership is a solid, consistant back 6 or 7, whilst we are treading water at the minute, we aren't are premiership threat right now due to the disruption of the defensive unit. Once we get them back and they can regain their cohesion and consistency, then will we see if we are contenders or not.

You cant be on 800k a year and turn the ball over like he did vs good teams like Geelong. As was pointed out by "Pinot"his efforts or lack of led to 3-4 goals being scored by Geelong and the attacking value he gives isnt worth his lack of defensive prowess. His disposal is way overrated imho and I wouldnt have him in my best 22 and he is very fortunate we are down on troops with injury and he doesnt have much competition for his spot.
Stengle at 175cm/73kg outbodied Zac 183cm/84kg in the goal square for an easy mark and goal which was just garbage defense from our man imo...its very hard to hold your place in the backline as an attacking only player and your skillset and decision making has to be at the Nick Daicos level to get away with it and Zac is nowhere near that high bar.

[ElwoodBlues1]

If he staged then he should be suspended. I would like the AFL to come out and say it was a free kick or he staged.

Watched it a few times on video and there appears to be high contact of sorts but ZW also appears to have exaggerated the force of the contact and the umpires ignored it due to the extra mayo he applied.
It probably should have been a free but you cant expect to get those all the time either and he should have played through the contact and not let Geelong(Henry) have a zero contest situation.
The umpires were terrible overall imo and let play go especially holding the ball/man situations and you just have to be able to read the game and how its being umpired and know that it was unlikely they would make that call as high contact imho and not gamble they might.
Saying all that I have just read Henry has been charged with striking Zac Williams which I presume was the same incident so the MRO has deemed the contact severe enough and should have been a free kick to our man ....more to play out in this saga and you were justified in calling for the AFL to adjudicate on the decision.

[LoveNavy]

I didn't give him a vote, but plenty impressed with Boyd, gets better every week.

Made a few mistakes that burned some opportunities, but fixed most of them, his relentless 2nd efforts are A-Grade, others need to watch his intensity.

X 2 regards his improvement.
I said as much in the game thread.

[kruddler]

That's the thing though
Pittonet and Tom 'are' very different ruckmen.

And both would be well within the best 22 at the moment.
Would you drop Pittonet or Tom to add 'one of'  Cincotta, Binns, Durdin, Owies, Carroll, Cowan, either Hollands etc etc.

Right now, i'd drop Young for Cincotta. Give Kemp the lockdown role and allow Cincotta to cover the intercept role, which adds more run.

When the game starts getting wetter, you'd think about dropping one more tall. We'll wait and see who is out of form at the time.
The decision is made easier right now because we don't have Silvagni available, or any other option for 3rd tall.

There was never any doubt about their 'styles of ruck' or that they compliment eachother. The issue was they they were both doing not very much around the ground.....at all.
TDK was lacking in ruck area, and performing worse than Silvagni as a forward......but better than Pittonet as a non-ruck option.
Pittonet was performing better in the ruck, but not doing enough around the ground.

BOTH of them are not only performing better around the ground, but both are being genuine options around the ground and up forward.
Pittonet kicked a goal first game back. TDK kicked 3 last week, and 0.3 this week. I showed stats on pittonets ruck AND around the ground work and how it was the same or better than both rucks combined....and even 2 mids combined in clearances.
That kind of form from both of them was nowhere to be seen last year. THAT is what has changed......and thankfully its changed when the cupboard is very bare behind them.

However,
Once we start getting players back, if you want to play both rucks in your 22, you are leaving out someone like Kennedy, Cottrell, Hollands (x2), Williams.....etc.

[Gointocarlton]

You cant be on 800k a year and turn the ball over like he did vs good teams like Geelong. As was pointed out by "Pinot"his efforts or lack of led to 3-4 goals being scored by Geelong and the attacking value he gives isnt worth his lack of defensive prowess. His disposal is way overrated imho and I wouldnt have him in my best 22 and he is very fortunate we are down on troops with injury and he doesnt have much competition for his spot.
Stengle at 175cm/73kg outbodied Zac 183cm/84kg in the goal square for an easy mark and goal which was just garbage defense from our man imo...its very hard to hold your place in the backline as an attacking only player and your skillset and decision making has to be at the Nick Daicos level to get away with it and Zac is nowhere near that high bar.

I hear you brother, I agree completely. Drafting him in the first place was a mistake (IMO), promised him a gig in the midfield which failed miserably. His deficiencies in defence get masked somewhat by the likes of Saad, Gov and even Doc when he played there. Right now, we have a defender shortage and he has to do a defensive job, he failed miserably on the weekend.

[madbluboy]

Watched it a few times on video and there appears to be high contact of sorts but ZW also appears to have exaggerated the force of the contact and the umpires ignored it due to the extra mayo he applied.
It probably should have been a free but you cant expect to get those all the time either and he should have played through the contact and not let Geelong(Henry) have a zero contest situation.
The umpires were terrible overall imo and let play go especially holding the ball/man situations and you just have to be able to read the game and how its being umpired and know that it was unlikely they would make that call as high contact imho and not gamble they might.
Saying all that I have just read Henry has been charged with striking Zac Williams which I presume was the same incident so the MRO has deemed the contact severe enough and should have been a free kick to our man ....more to play out in this saga and you were justified in calling for the AFL to adjudicate on the decision.

We need to start striking blokes softly off the ball. The fines are worth it if you can get a few goals out of it.

[ElwoodBlues1]

We need to start striking blokes softly off the ball. The fines are worth it if you can get a few goals out of it.

Knowing our luck there would be a crackdown and one of our blokes would be made an example of and get a long holiday...interesting the Henry hit has been deemed low impact , intentional and body contact yet Zac was holding his head?

[rocky]

Watched the replay. Sure we missed way too many opportunities against a good team to have any chance of winning and yes there were some dubious decisions/non-decisions that conspired against us, but at the end of the day we are better than this team and to be truly taken seriously as a contender we have to start winning these games.
If Saad was fit I'd give Williams a rest. His 1st half yesterday was putrid.
McGovern for Young is a no-brainer
Motlop in can replace either of Durdin or Owies who are just not giving us enough. Hell I'd even give Boyd a crack as a small forward ahead of those two.
Ollie Hollands is not doing a lot at the moment. Gee we need Jack Martin back ASAP
There's a lot of blokes who can improve our side and I hope at some stage this year we get them back.

[pinot]

Midfield, Key forward are elite.

Need some players in the back and Martin is either fit or call an early retirement so we can find a player in mid season draft and we need to find a smart small forward.

Elijah Hollands is improving with every game but his brother has been VFL grade at best.

[Thryleon]

We actually played into geelongs tactics. 

They rebound, we see a half back leave his man to pressure the ball carrier.  Separation about 40 metres, so in effect the "presssure" is non existant and then its a short kixck to a team mate whos now free.

This hekps teams go coast to coast a lot against us, and i think that players need to pick their moments better on when to stay on their man or leave to pressure the ball carrier.

A long kick to a contest or making them run it, is more desirable.  Leave your man later when you can get back or theyve run into trouble.