AFL Rd 3 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

[LP]

So Weiters, Marchbank and Motlop available.

Weiters is an automatic, what of the others, I suspect not?

I think the obvious outs will be Young, and if needed Fantasia and probably Carroll(unlucky) to allow a reshuffle.

Cunningham is unlucky if he goes out because he has not done much wrong but he hasn't hit the scoreboard much either, same applies to Fogarty and Owies. But this may be the role they play while BigH is up and about. They have the experience over Carroll, so unless Carroll gets a F50 gig then he is unlucky. Cunningham and Fogarty are also mid capable.

Durdin is probably the least utilitarian, but he might scrape in again as an emergency as it's a bit tough to give a player the axe off the back of just a few minutes. For me Binns was the natural to get a run after Doc went down, with either one of Binns or Boyd getting further up the field to have a crack at hitting the scoreboard.

I'm still a bit surprised Durdin got a run ahead of Binns, I have to wonder what it is that Binns is doing wrong because he looks quite good at the lower level.

[DJC]

Elijah Hollands is available after his cocaine holiday (Will he have any niggling injuries that cause him to miss games? I suspect not.). I don’t think he did enough to warrant selection and I don’t think he would necessarily be an improvement over any of our current mids/forwards.  I think that Binns would be ahead of Lij in the pecking order.

Motlop must be close to an automatic in, provided he is impressing at training.  Fantasia is probably most at risk of losing his spot and I can’t see small Durdin in the 22.

I’d say Weitering and Motlop in for Boyd and Fantasia so expect something completely different  ?

[madbluboy]

Is there a VFL game?

[DJC]

Is there a VFL game?

Yes, our first real VFL game is against North.

[madbluboy]

In that case I would only bring Weitering in.

Motlop can play midfield in the VFL and get 30 touches like he did last year and come in next week.

[kruddler]

Kemp played a couple of games in the midfield as a junior, that's it.  SOS said that Kemp could play midfield when he was drafted, but he said that about Plowman, Marchbank, Stocker, and others.  Despite the 'midfield extractor' tag, Kemp has played all of his football for us as a KPP.

Kemp does get beaten by taller opponents in one on one contests - Gawn in the semi - and by stronger opponents like Balta.  He also loses contests when he attempts to mark rather than spoil.  Young is more conservative and is happy to kill the contest if there's doubt about the outcome.  Young is a better match up for Larkey and Coleman-Kones than Kemp is, and I would play both, regardless of whether Weitering is in the team.

None of the other 'midfield' players played KP, so not sure why you bring that up, i think it hurts your argument more than helps it.

Kemp gets beaten by taller opponents....and by stronger opponents......does that not clearly point to the fact that is because is not a KPP? He doesn't have the size or strength to play there and be effective. Rather, he plays there because he is the best we've got at any given time, but is largely undersized.

Young is a better matchup, because he is an actual KPP. I think the 'errors' made by Young playing that role vs the 'errors' by Kemp playing that role mean that Kemp is the better player to have in the side.....even if it means you sacrifice some ability against the taller opponents that he'll be beaten one on one with. Mostly due to the fact that Young makes some silly errors that almost directly cost us goals.

To summarise, just because a player is played in a position, doesn't mean he is right for that position. If all our 190cm players got injured, someone would still have to play as a ruck on game day.....but just because we've shoehorned someone into that position, doesn't mean he is a genuine ruck. Same with Kemp, Marchbank......as KPPs.

[DJC]

None of the other 'midfield' players played KP, so not sure why you bring that up, i think it hurts your argument more than helps it.

Kemp gets beaten by taller opponents....and by stronger opponents......does that not clearly point to the fact that is because is not a KPP? He doesn't have the size or strength to play there and be effective. Rather, he plays there because he is the best we've got at any given time, but is largely undersized.

Young is a better matchup, because he is an actual KPP. I think the 'errors' made by Young playing that role vs the 'errors' by Kemp playing that role mean that Kemp is the better player to have in the side.....even if it means you sacrifice some ability against the taller opponents that he'll be beaten one on one with. Mostly due to the fact that Young makes some silly errors that almost directly cost us goals.

To summarise, just because a player is played in a position, doesn't mean he is right for that position. If all our 190cm players got injured, someone would still have to play as a ruck on game day.....but just because we've shoehorned someone into that position, doesn't mean he is a genuine ruck. Same with Kemp, Marchbank......as KPPs.

Kemp and Young did OK against Daniher and Hipwood and Lynch and Balta.  They would probably do OK against Larkey and Coleman-Jones.  Weitering and Kemp would be a better combination and Weitering and Young an even better combination.

Against other key forward pairs, Weitering and Kemp might be a better defensive combination than Weitering and Young.  When you have several KPDs with different attributes, you can have a horses for courses approach.  With the North game, Kemp would probably be our best match up for Zurhaar.  McGovern could do the job but at the expense of his intercept marking and helping out the KPDs.

[Milhanna13]

Agreed Thry.....if we're serious and on, we should win easily. We still need to learn how to really bury sides when we have the advantage and % could be critical come the pointy end of the season.

Would love to be sitting here on Saturday, watching the other 17 fanbases whinge about Charlie only kicking 10 against the bottom sides, again

[Gointocarlton]

Have to put a team to sleep soon and stamp our authority in the competition to send a message the team is capable at issuing beltings. But don't want to be Premiership favourites now imo.

Putting North Melb to sleep won't send a message. Putting Syd, GWS, Geel, Coll etc to sleep sends a message.

[Gointocarlton]

Given Marchbank's inability to get out on the park and the fact that he hasn't played a game in a while, he's better off playing a couple of VFL games first.

Minimum 2-3 games.