AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

[cookie2]

I reckon he will.

As I wrote above, Weitering's presence helps all of our defenders and Young will have the added benefit of not standing the opposition's best tall forward for most of the game.

As much as I like Kemp, it's a huge ask for him to stand the likes of Nick Larkey or Coleman-Jones.  You need gorilla minders to play on the gorillas and, on this year's form, Young is up to the task.

Young is holding the fort so to speak but I will be very relieved when Weiters returns. I agree that Young will probably play alongside Weiters and they should make a good combination against opposing key forwards.

[northernblue]

Problem with Young playing alongside Wieters is that we lose run and creativity big time.
Young’s best is dour, do you really want to drop McGovern or Kemp ?
In modern football EVERYONE must be willing and able to create and run one failure and the whole team starts to flounder.

[LP]

I agree that Young will probably play alongside Weiters and they should make a good combination against opposing key forwards.

I can't see it happening, we are going to drop McGovern or Kemp based on form, Boyd the one under the pump, and I can't see him being dropped either.

Saad, Newman and Williams are in good form.

For me it has to be Young who steps aside.

[Lods]

Marchbank (if fit), McGovern, Kemp, Weitering and Young.
Do they all fit?

Rumours should be taken with a great deal of caution.
But rumours sometimes have elements of truth, even if it's not the full story.
There were some around last year regarding the relationship in terms of the 'level of confidence' between some of our defenders.
I want to see how they all combine and work together when Weitering and Marchbank return

[Thryleon]

Semantics to a point.

If he does 1 good, athletic, eye-popping thing a game, and goes missing for the rest of it, is that because he hasn't reached his potential or he isn't consistent?
I'd say its potential.

If he has 1 solid game 1 week and a nothing game the next week, i'd say that is consistency.

He may have put together the odd solid game over his career, but he hasn't earned himself a 3 brownlow vote game in the way Nic Nat did. He is capable of it.....which is why its been frustrating.

Previously, people have seen glimpses, and extrapolate that out to a good performance.
When you break it down, the rest of the performances have usually been very much sub par. He is remembered for the 'almost' mark of the week attempts, and not for going missing for 20 minutes at a time. This is why i went to great depth to show people perceptions of what he was doing, was out of whack with what he was actually doing. Opposite was true with Pittonet/Silvagni.

NOW he is starting to find some more consistency and using his gifts we all knew he had. Taking some marks. Getting some ground balls. Sticking some tackles. Kicking some goals. This should be the norm from him, not the exception.

I said all along, i've got no issue with him, but he needed to perform, not just get a gig based on potential. He is starting to perform and we should keep it that way.

My only worry is that he is peforming now because he is fit and healthy. After getting banged up week in and week out, he may not be able to perform in the same way. Won't be able to jump as high, run as fast and pressure in the same manner due to niggles/injury. THEN it may become an issue.

I still maintain we run with 1 ruck, and he is my preference for now.
Maybe switch him out for Pittonet if he starts to carry a niggle, but don't play both.

No. He was playing better than that.  He wasn't a highlight reel player, he was just rucking well for a quarter or two and taking a strong mark every week that was eye popping. Then there is the fact that he hits the scoreboard, and genuinely creates panic when he drifts forward because he's athletic and can actually play as a forward. 

[LP]

No. He was playing better than that.  He wasn't a highlight reel player, he was just rucking well for a quarter or two and taking a strong mark every week that was eye popping. Then there is the fact that he hits the scoreboard, and genuinely creates panic when he drifts forward because he's athletic and can actually play as a forward.

Yes, it seems pretty cut and dry.

Critics of TDK like to cherry-pick, when he rucks well they claim he can't hold marks, if he's hitting the scoreboard they will claim he was beaten in the ruck. Some of it is because they went early a year or two back calling him a dud and now they are happy to dig a hole just to stick to their guns, they sit quietly waiting for TDK to stumble so they can offer up the "told you so!"

FFS, how the hell can someone of TDK's stature and capability be some fans whipping boy? :o

btw., TDK's highlights aren't just as good as what opponents can do, they are often things other players his size just cannot do, stuff Grundy was previously capable of. Perhaps only a fit Draper is a current AFL equivalent.

If TDK becomes consistent in his output he'll be an object of AFL wide desire, now he is rapidly learning where to be and when, and he is also learning how to influence opponents using his positioning and presence, he is capable of getting to positions ahead of 95% of KPP opponents not just ruck opponents.

I watched last Thursday expecting the new rules to greatly benefit Nankervis, simple because they favour size and weight, but I was pleasantly surprised. TDK held his own, and when TDK found himself on the right side of the contest Nankervis couldn't go with him even if he started just an arm length away.

The Cats are still into him, they aren't going to let up, and others will join the fight to tear him away. They aren't interested in him because he's a highlight reel player.

[DJC]

Problem with Young playing alongside Wieters is that we lose run and creativity big time.
Young’s best is dour, do you really want to drop McGovern or Kemp ?
In modern football EVERYONE must be willing and able to create and run one failure and the whole team starts to flounder.

Why do we lose run and creativity with Young and Weitering playing together?

Yes, we have to lose one of our medium defenders (most likely Kemp as he is playing as the second key defender) but we still have an abundance of run and creativity with those that remain.  Weitering is the key to our defensive run and creativity.  He may not do much running but his positioning and ball use creates opportunities; his kick across the ground to Hollands in the Melbourne game is a prime example.

I think that a backline of Weitering, Young, McGovern, Newman, Saad, Williams and Kemp/Boyd has more run and creativity than a backline of Young, McGovern, Newman, Saad, Williams, Kemp and Boyd.  It would also be a stronger defence with the ability to counter two genuine key forwards.

[DJC]

Interesting discussion on the wireless:

A field umpire cannot use the score review process to determine whether a free kick should be paid.

The goal umpire called Charlie’s goal attempt a behind.  The reviewer determined that it was “umpire’s call”, ie a behind.  The point should stand and should be restored to our score (my conclusion).

[Baggers]

I don't get any knocks on TDK... coming along nicely.

Still concerned with Hollands... yes, fantastic at 'pressure acts', first rate, but still seems to fumble with his offensive game. Yep, just a kid, too light and is learning, and maybe what he is doing at present is exactly what the coaches want from him, but I'd like to see him develop being dangerous with aggott in hand.

And I'm not in the pumping up Young group. Yep, doing a job, and doing it adequately. Does look better than last year but is that just feint praise? (Threw that in for you, Ye Rat O' the River    ;D  - sorry folks, its an 'in joke' between us). What One of the things that Young lacks is authority, which Weiters has in spades (yeah, yeah I know comparisons are unfair on Young... but the bottom line is that Weiters brings a great deal to our defense, and with him there, our defense is at its best which is what we want - our best).

[cookie2]

Why do we lose run and creativity with Young and Weitering playing together?

Yes, we have to lose one of our medium defenders (most likely Kemp as he is playing as the second key defender) but we still have an abundance of run and creativity with those that remain.  Weitering is the key to our defensive run and creativity.  He may not do much running but his positioning and ball use creates opportunities; his kick across the ground to Hollands in the Melbourne game is a prime example.

I think that a backline of Weitering, Young, McGovern, Newman, Saad, Williams and Kemp/Boyd has more run and creativity than a backline of Young, McGovern, Newman, Saad, Williams, Kemp and Boyd.  It would also be a stronger defence with the ability to counter two genuine key forwards.

Any good defence must have aerial stopping power and Weiters and Young are our best available combo to get that imo, especially when we face the bigger/taller opposition forwards. Agree, that leaves plenty of scope to provide the additional run and creativity we need, depending on form and availability.