The EV thread

[dodge]

Believe me, i try and limit youtube and the nonsense channels as much as i can, but i'm fighting with 1 arm behind my back as the missus is less strict on the matter.
Its not just from my kids though, its all my kids mates and friends kids etc.

Yep - it's hard to get them away from devices.

[kruddler]

Whilst I agree that Government and carmakers don’t care about the environment, government at least has the role of setting the agenda.
It shouldn’t be backing horses as such but mandating emissions etc.
The market can then move where they want, this will bring innovation.

...and thats the barrow i was pushing before.

Put your foot down and make some big calls, and MAKE it happen.

I can't recall the specifics but there was some talk about Canberra supposedly banning new ICE vehicles from 2025 or some nonsense.
I don't know if that is still a thing, or what the end result of all that was, but im sure that they've bitten off more than they can chew if that is indeed a target they are chasing.

If the government offered some huge financial incentives to big business to set up new technology, manufacturing and infrastructure to fast track hydrogen vehicles for example, then you might have someone like Toyota want to take up that challenge.

If you sit on your hands and do nothing....then nothing happens.

[LP]

We can't stop living while Nero fiddles, we have to make a call, then they can burn us retrospectively.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Whilst I agree that Government and carmakers don’t care about the environment, government at least has the role of setting the agenda.
It shouldn’t be backing horses as such but mandating emissions etc.
The market can then move where they want, this will bring innovation.

There is the expectation that Governments both Fed and State have to help provide and approve infrastructure plus support the means to achieve emission targets by incentives. That does mean choosing a horse as a favourite and making a bet on the future and they have picked EV's. Eg they have pledged 75% of Govt vehicles will be EV vehicles of some description by end 2025
The NT Government are being generous unlike my home state Victoria who are giving residents SFA in comparison going by this information: https://www.novatedleaseaustralia.com.au...incentives.
I believe Hydrogen fuel cell cars are only available to companies in Aus by lease and special order which is a shame which really only leaves EV's and their different varieties as the only option for ordinary punters unless you want to continue down the ICE path.
The Germans are having second thoughts on EV's though and the head of BMW is leading the way.....Mr Zipse didnt tell anyone though he has just done a deal with GWM to supply batteries for his EV beamers....and he wasnt truthful about the lower end of the market either because he knows BYD have entered that part of the market and are starting to sell cars.
https://fortune.com/europe/2024/02/03/ge...di-vw-bmw/

[LP]

The Germans are having second thoughts on EV's though and the head of BMW is leading the way.....Mr Zipse didnt tell anyone though he has just done a deal with GWM to supply batteries for his EV beamers....and he wasnt truthful about the lower end of the market either because he knows BYD have entered that part of the market and are starting to sell cars.
https://fortune.com/europe/2024/02/03/ge...di-vw-bmw/

Zipse played the long game, the game that our politicians should be playing, he cut through the hype and really when you ignore the EV hyperbole the choice becomes pretty clear.

In most cases, EV growth comes at the cost of a shift in consumption not a reduction, if we only shift resource consumption to other areas we aren't really becoming zero at all, it's a smokescreen. Where does the energy come from , where do the resources come from, much of it still comes out of the ground even the materials for SolarPV panels. How they attached the word zero to all this stuff is a crime in itself.

If we can take ICE to retrofit with HICE(Hydrogen) or AICE(Ammonia), it means we don't consume more resources replacing perfectly functional cars, engines and transmissions with new. Some will say it can't happen, but it's happened before when LPG became a thing. The trick this time will be not switching from one high carbon emission resource to another high carbon emission limited resource.

Perhaps if Tesla had put their effort into replacing ICEs with Electric Motors, and hot swap batteries instead of built in batteries, things might have worked out better. We already see a growing market in the USA taking the guts out of scrapped Tesla's and retrofitting those guts into classic vehicles. It's hard to imagine it's a thing, but it's is and it is growing on both the personal vehicle and the light transport side. Retrofit hybrid is also another thing, whole fleets similar to UPS, DHL and Fedex are going that way because it makes sense.

[DJC]

There is the expectation that Governments both Fed and State have to help provide and approve infrastructure plus support the means to achieve emission targets by incentives. That does mean choosing a horse as a favourite and making a bet on the future and they have picked EV's. Eg they have pledged 75% of Govt vehicles will be EV vehicles of some description by end 2025
The NT Government are being generous unlike my home state Victoria who are giving residents SFA in comparison going by this information: https://www.novatedleaseaustralia.com.au...incentives.
I believe Hydrogen fuel cell cars are only available to companies in Aus by lease and special order which is a shame which really only leaves EV's and their different varieties as the only option for ordinary punters unless you want to continue down the ICE path.
The Germans are having second thoughts on EV's though and the head of BMW is leading the way.....Mr Zipse didnt tell anyone though he has just done a deal with GWM to supply batteries for his EV beamers....and he wasnt truthful about the lower end of the market either because he knows BYD have entered that part of the market and are starting to sell cars.
https://fortune.com/europe/2024/02/03/ge...di-vw-bmw/

As the Toyota spokesperson (quoted in my post from a while back) said, you can’t import FCEVs when there’s no refuelling capacity.

Governments need to sit down with Toyota and Hyundai and agree on import numbers and infrastructure rollout.

[ElwoodBlues1]

As the Toyota spokesperson (quoted in my post from a while back) said, you can’t import FCEVs when there’s no refuelling capacity.

Governments need to sit down with Toyota and Hyundai and agree on import numbers and infrastructure rollout.

Thats fair enough,  you need refuelling infrastructure and it appears Hydrogen will need more commercial coin to make it happen.
This could be a good start....https://www.ampol.com.au/about-ampol/news-and-media/ampol-hyundai-pacific-energy-and-toyota-develop-hydrogen-infrastructure.
Ampol are also equipping their service stations with EV chargers so Energy companies dont mind having a bit each way at this stage.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Mr Bean doesnt like EV's anymore....  Aussies love their big toys, meanwhile the French are weighing up the value of heavy vehicles.
https://news.sky.com/story/mr-bean-actor...s-13065947

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...cant-go-on

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paris-suv-p...-per-hour/

Not sure how SUV sizeEV's being heavier due to the added battery weight fare in this parking issue, would have thought an EV would be better for clean Parisian air
but it appears they too will be paying more....very strange thinking imho.

[Baggers]

I wonder how our roads will stand up to the increased number of heavier vehicles?

[LP]

Surely those EV parking taxes are the way around the loss of fuel excise, for now here our politicians are too scared to bill EV owners for the roads, but overseas the EU and UK are finding new and innovative ways to tax EV owners like weight.

I know this because my UK based EV owning mates are going ballistic about the increased fees and charges, they spent years gloating about the money they saved shelling out big dollars on Tesla AWD, now the chickens have come home to roost one of them is even talking about reverting to his fancy ICE ( He couldn't separate from his Lexus LC 500  no matter what the Tesla offered )