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[Lods]

With respect Crash, you’re unlikely to be in a position where you have to decide whether to report a rape.

One of my sisters was raped.  She told me about it many years later and explained why reporting it wasn’t an option; fear of reprisals, shame, questioning by male police, going to court with male judges and lawyers, embarrassing the family …

The judge in this case is convinced that neither Higgins nor Lehrmann has been totally honest.  It will come down to whether the judge accepts that intercourse took place.  If he does, Lehrmann is screwed.

That's really where this needs to be decided.
In a court of law.
With a body of testimony.
With an experienced adjudicator.
Not in the court of public opinion, where bias, personal perception, and limited information will rarely deliver a sound assessment.

[Gointocarlton]

That's really where this needs to be decided.
In a court of law.
With a body of testimony.
With an experienced adjudicator.
Not in the court of public opinion, where bias, personal perception, and limited information will rarely deliver a sound assessment.

100% agree, as I have been saying, there needs to be proper proof and evidence (beyond reasonable doubt) to lock someone away. Look at the woman who has just been freed here in Oz after 20 years in prison for allegedly killing her children. Thats what happens when you get things wrong.
The problem here is that Wilkinson and The Project tainted the whole process creating a bias.

[Gointocarlton]

In fact, Lehrmann (who called himself Bryce) took her to his friend's house where she apparently passed out after too much alcohol.  Familiar modus operandi?

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nationa...5eghj.html

He is charged with two counts of rape of a woman in Toowoomba, west of Brisbane, in 2021. The alleged victim told police she had read about Lehrmann online in the weeks after the encounter and told police they initially had consensual sex, but that Lehrmann later removed a condom without her permission and raped her twice.

https://www.bandt.com.au/bruce-lehrmann-...l%20health.

The alleged victim said she recognised Lehrmann – who introduced himself to her as “Bryce” – after he first appeared in court over allegations he raped Brittany Higgins in Parliament House.

Lehrmann allegedly had consensual sex with the young woman but didn’t wear a condom when they had sex the next morning – which is sexual assault under Queensland law.

The alleged victim said she went to the Powerhouse nightclub in Toowoomba on October 2021 before going on to an adult venue called The Vault.

There, according to a police court brief, she “recalls socialising with friends, consuming more alcohol and a quantity of cocaine”.

She then went on to allegedly meet Lehrmann in the smokers’ area before the pair left and went back to a house he was staying with friends.

The pair got into bed clothed, she said. After a short conversation they kissed and she told him to put a condom on. She then claims she woke up to find her legs open and Lehrmann’s penis inside her.

[kruddler]

Lehrmann allegedly had consensual sex with the young woman but didn’t wear a condom when they had sex the next morning – which is sexual assault under Queensland law.

Hey??

Thats a new one.

[LP]

The alleged victim said she recognised Lehrmann – who introduced himself to her as “Bryce” – after he first appeared in court over allegations he raped Brittany Higgins in Parliament House.

So after recognising "Lehrmann" on TV it was reported as a rape allegation, positively identified, and apparently I'm the bad person for being cynical!

Much like allegations of racism, when we leave the definition of a crime to the alleged victim, those offended or those harbouring regrets we step onto a very slippery slope, and it seems now we should be very worried indeed that the concept of proof might be heading the same way, much closer to opinion than evidence! Crimes that can be settled in cash or come with exclusive contract$!

The plight of genuine victims is diminished by these cases, women (society) should take offense at the spurious claims as much of it seems driven by fame and dollars and it's not going to get better anytime soon. How long before this story is sold to the highest bidder, I expect Ten's wallet will be overflowing with dollars just to have the opportunity for a chat! There should be serious penalties for making false claims, you should lose all that was gained and some, the risk to reputation isn't enough, the people involved simply don't care about losing face!

Now on an adjacent point. Women(or some men for that matter) can wear padded bras, fake hair, fake tan, fake contact lenses, fake nails, corsets, ar5e lift underwear, thigh sculpting stockings, have nose jobs, boob lifts, neck tucks and any other number of synthetic surgery, they unzip and it's like the stay puff marshmallow man exiting pressure suit, and a guy is a bastard for using a fake name! If it's bogus and it fails as a tactic, what will happen, a change of hair colour, a change of makeup, a new address, .............. a new name?

Do you still wonder why the hard right is finding increasing support?

We should all be worried, because the hard right is prepared to lie as much as the extreme left, in the end they meet in the middle and all I can see in the result is anarchy.

The root cause and effect seems to be glossed over, people lie, social media promotes lying!

[DJC]

So after recognising "Lehrmann" on TV it was reported as a rape allegation, positively identified, and apparently I'm the bad person for being cynical!

Much like allegations of racism, when we leave the definition of a crime to the alleged victim, those offended or those harbouring regrets we step onto a very slippery slope, and it seems now we should be very worried indeed that the concept of proof might be heading the same way, much closer to opinion than evidence! Crimes that can be settled in cash or come with exclusive contract$!

The plight of genuine victims is diminished by these cases, women (society) should take offense at the spurious claims as much of it seems driven by fame and dollars and it's not going to get better anytime soon. How long before this story is sold to the highest bidder, I expect Ten's wallet will be overflowing with dollars just to have the opportunity for a chat! There should be serious penalties for making false claims, you should lose all that was gained and some, the risk to reputation isn't enough, the people involved simply don't care about losing face!

Now on an adjacent point. Women(or some men for that matter) can wear padded bras, fake hair, fake tan, fake contact lenses, fake nails, corsets, ar5e lift underwear, thigh sculpting stockings, have nose jobs, boob lifts, neck tucks and any other number of synthetic surgery, they unzip and it's like the stay puff marshmallow man exiting pressure suit, and a guy is a bastard for using a fake name! If it's bogus and it fails as a tactic, what will happen, a change of hair colour, a change of makeup, a new address, .............. a new name?

Do you still wonder why the hard right is finding increasing support?

We should all be worried, because the hard right is prepared to lie as much as the extreme left, in the end they meet in the middle and all I can see in the result is anarchy.

The root cause and effect seems to be glossed over, people lie, social media promotes lying!

I'm not sure why this is so hard to follow.

The young lady in question was soused and went home with a bloke who told her his name was Bryce.

They had consensual sex and "Bryce" used a condom as agreed.  The young lady woke up later to find Bryce porking her again, this time without a condom.  Not using a condom can be sexual assault under Queensland law and having sex with a person who is asleep, unconscious or affected by alcohol or drugs is an offence across Australia.  That's not the victim's definition, it's the law, plain and simple.

The young lady later saw Bruce Lehrmann online and recognised him as the "Bryce" who had consensual and non-consensual sex with her.  She told the police, he was charged and the case has proceeded to the committal stage.  There must be a fair body of corroborating evidence if the case has gone this far.

Although QLD law requires the names of alleged rapists to be revealed when cases go to committal, Lehrmann's lawyers fought hard to have his name suppressed.  Why would that be?

Remember that Lehrmann's lawyers argued that he couldn't get a fair trial because, according to Chief Justice Lucy McCallum,  “allegations were published to the effect that the man who had sexually assaulted the complainant was also accused of having sexually assaulted or harassed a number of other women”.

Either there's an organised conspiracy against Lehrmann or he's a sleazebag who gets his jollies from having sex with comatose women.

[LP]

There must be a fair body of corroborating evidence if the case has gone this far.

Yes, that's what Wilkinson said about Higgins.

It's impossible to make a definitive decision based on the information that has been made public so far, doing so just exposes a bias. We saw this with the #MeToo movement, any number of additional accusers doesn't make something true.

I'm not for or against, I'm exposing two human traits, going early in error, and wanting to believe.

[DJC]

Yes, that's what Wilkinson said about Higgins.

It's impossible to make a definitive decision based on the information that has been made public so far, doing so just exposes a bias. We saw this with the #MeToo movement, any number of additional accusers doesn't make something true.

I'm not for or against, I'm exposing two human traits, going early in error, and wanting to believe.

In the Toowoomba rape case, allegations have been made and the prosecution has put together a brief of evidence that has satisfied the DPP (as happened with the Higgins' case).  The case will run its course, unless there's more shenanigans, and, if Lehrmann is committed for trial, a verdict will be reached and we'll know whether or not he's officially a sleazebag. 

[LP]

I notice the media was forced to apologise for using altered images of a politician.

The thing is the media types do stuff like this so often they can barely recognise themselves without retouching, so fake they have become that fake is normal.

[DJC]

I notice the media was forced to apologise for using altered images of a politician.

The thing is the media types do stuff like this so often they can barely recognise themselves without retouching, so fake they have become that fake is normal.

Nine blamed AI but had to fess up after Adobe pointed out that the changes have to be authorised by a human.

Ms Purcell is an MP, but is she a politician?