The Voice

[kruddler]

@Thry...
The take home point appears to be that by acknowledging their 'differences' is bad because it highlights that they are 'different'.

At the same time you point out how things have changed, NAIDOC week etc. Is that a negative? Is it not acknowleding their 'differences'.

I think they can be celebrated and should be celebrated and should be encouraged to be in all parts of our society as much as possible. I'm aware that the reference of 'they' could deemed inappropriate in itself.

I was in the 'its ok to boo adam goodes camp because the person is a flog and people of a different skin colour can be flogs'. Which ultimately is about treating people as equal and not as 'different'. So i understand that side of the debate.

However, in this instance, the benefits far outweight the negatives from what i can tell in terms of a yes vote.
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Alternatively, the opposing side of a no vote getting up is far more damaging to us as a country and its optics.

[Thryleon]

^^  Thats your opinion Kruddler.  Don't you get it?  Its there for all to see.  There is no right or wrong answer, and not even the indigenous people agree.

[kruddler]

[member=153]LP[/member]

I think what you describe is not a cultural thing, but a generational thing.
IMO the younger 'millenials/xenialls' etc are very quick to cry foul and put their hand out and expect something for nothing.
Whereas the older gen x's or even boomers are more head down bum up and get the job done without whinging about it.

[kruddler]

^^  Thats your opinion Kruddler.  Don't you get it?  Its there for all to see.  There is no right or wrong answer, and not even the indigenous people agree.

That was half my point, i don't think there is a 'right or wrong' answer that suits everybody. I do think there is a 'better' answer though.

[PaulP]

There's nothing good to come out of the no vote. The architects of the Voice proposal put forward the wussiest, most timid, inoffensive thing possible, and we couldn't even give them that. It reflects poorly on us as a nation. 

[Baggers]

@Thry...
The take home point appears to be that by acknowledging their 'differences' is bad because it highlights that they are 'different'.

At the same time you point out how things have changed, NAIDOC week etc. Is that a negative? Is it not acknowleding their 'differences'.

I think they can be celebrated and should be celebrated and should be encouraged to be in all parts of our society as much as possible. I'm aware that the reference of 'they' could deemed inappropriate in itself.

I was in the 'its ok to boo adam goodes camp because the person is a flog and people of a different skin colour can be flogs'. Which ultimately is about treating people as equal and not as 'different'. So i understand that side of the debate.

However, in this instance, the benefits far outweight the negatives from what i can tell in terms of a yes vote.
and
Alternatively, the opposing side of a no vote getting up is far more damaging to us as a country and its optics.

Nice. Love your use of the word, 'celebrate' rather than acknowledge. Massive difference.

[Lods]

Do we not celebrate indigenous culture though?

I walk through the gate of my grandson's school here in 'redneck' Queensland and the indigenous symbolism is prominent from the entrance all the way down to the classrooms. Posters, playground art, even some of the designs on classrooms. Enter the rooms and you don't have to look far to see more examples. Throughout the year there have been a couple of cultural performances.
Maybe it's a generational thing from this point.
Maybe it's these kids who will live in a country where race isn't a point of difference in terms of opportunity and living standards , but where they can still appreciate the culture of first Australians.
They're not mutually exclusive.

[LP]

I walk through the gate of my grandson's school here in 'redneck' Queensland and the indigenous symbolism is prominent from the entrance all the way down to the classrooms. Posters, playground art, even some of the designs on classrooms. Enter the rooms and you don't have to look far to see more examples.

It's an interesting observation.

I've had some in education system fully support The Voice but complain that they are already drowning in Indigenous Culture in the workplace. They can barely tick a box without a smoking ceremony being conducted and they grow weary of it day after day, they also grow weary of it being used as an excuse for both students and associates. In one case they have been told on certain issues and activities they must comply, but that Indigenous staff and students have a choice so they do not have to comply. I've been told of similar situations in segments of the public service. At best that seems to be a bet each way! :o

[tonyo]

Do we not celebrate indigenous culture though?

I walk through the gate of my grandson's school here in 'redneck' Queensland and the indigenous symbolism is prominent from the entrance all the way down to the classrooms. Posters, playground art, even some of the designs on classrooms. Enter the rooms and you don't have to look far to see more examples. Throughout the year there have been a couple of cultural performances.
Maybe it's a generational thing from this point.
Maybe it's these kids who will live in a country where race isn't a point of difference in terms of opportunity and living standards , but where they can still appreciate the culture of first Australians.
They're not mutually exclusive
[quote author=Lods date=1697510374 link=msg=405175]
Do we not celebrate indigenous culture though?

I walk through the gate of my grandson's school here in 'redneck' Queensland and the indigenous symbolism is prominent from the entrance all the way down to the classrooms. Posters, playground art, even some of the designs on classrooms. Enter the rooms and you don't have to look far to see more examples. Throughout the year there have been a couple of cultural performances.

Maybe it's what the school is expected to do in order to retain their funding levels.....[/quote]

[Lods]

Maybe it's what the school is expected to do in order to retain their funding levels.....

I'm more familiar with the NSW system but with State run schools it would have little to do with being tied to funding levels and more to do with curriculum requirements.
Indigenous perspectives would carry across all areas of the school curriculum.

The extent to which a school is 'decorated', the involvement of outside speakers, performers, elder speakers and additional indigenous teacher's aides would be determined by the Principal, teachers and school community.
They would certainly need to demonstrate that these areas are being covered, but it wouldn't affect their funding.

In my time, schools were given a set budget, but there was also extra money assigned that was to be used on designated targeted areas. Aboriginal education was one such area, but how we used that money was pretty much up to us....artists, performers, speakers etc. If we needed a bit of extra cash for things like NAIDOC week we could use some of the global budget.

Next time you're around a kid's or grandkid's schools have a look The cultural influences are genuine and part of the educational process for indigenous and non-indigenous students as well.