The Voice

[ElwoodBlues1]

Yes, and I fear the even tougher times ahead will only cause this waste to become a bigger and bitter issue. It's not going to be fun to be at either end of the spectrum, retirees self-funded or otherwise and those new to the workforce are really going to suffer.

I've associates in Peru who having just been slammed by the pandemic then coped it in the neck over industrial and social reforms coming out of what they describe as communist rule (Left Wing). What is / has happened there I believe is not so much a Peru specific issue but a precursor to what is about to happen to large portion of the global population. Peru is quite liberalist and as such it makes a good model for the west.

In some regard the referendum itself and it's fall is a failure of many to read the room!

Think they read the room with the polls giving a clear indication of the likely result but still wasted the money when they should have just legislated instead and at least had something working moving forward and not leaving this division we seem to have now due to politics being the priority rather than people. Albanese got voted in to Govern not throw responsibility and blame back to the Electorate and Dutton's only interest was getting political milage out of Labor fails so none of it was a recipe for success.
Everything major gets politicised in Aus which never leads to good outcomes......

[Gointocarlton]

For me, GTC, sick of politicians not working together for the betterment of the country.  Can't generally be bothered with political - and unfortunately the voice was - discourse.  That, the well organised far left and right and lack of respectful debate (although this suite is pretty good) turn me right off.

Yep. Couldn't generate bipartisan support during a global pandemic which killed thousands, you expect them to work together now? They are a joke.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Ironic that the rich white suburbs voted yes.

The Banks and Big Mining companies were also supporters of the Yes campaign which probably didnt do much for the Yes vote in the struggling mortgage belt areas either.

[Baggers]

You can look through our history and see that we are resistant to change at the best of times.

We're a paradox in the area of change.

Deeply progressive, even far-sighted in some areas yet feverishly fearful and conservative in others. SA was one of the first  states in the world to give women the right to vote and our nation one of the first (just behind the Kiwis) globally, yet indigenous folks were not given the right to vote until the late 60s! And the White Australia Policy wasn't given the kibosh (in writing, ie) until almost the mid 70s!

Generally, we are near the front of the pack to embrace technological change but not so much EVs? Such a fascinating little box of contradictions are we.

[Baggers]

At the risk of creation a furore, and feeling a gentle tap on the shoulder from the trunk of an elephant... I wonder what the % of the respective voting sides would be if you eliminated the racist vote? I bet no-one is surprised that the Qld Yes vote struggled to get close to a third (of the vote)? :o

[PaulP]

We're a paradox in the area of change.

Deeply progressive, even far-sighted in some areas yet feverishly fearful and conservative in others. SA was one of the first  states in the world to give women the right to vote and our nation one of the first (just behind the Kiwis) globally, yet indigenous folks were not given the right to vote until the late 60s! And the White Australia Policy wasn't given the kibosh (in writing, ie) until almost the mid 70s!

Generally, we are near the front of the pack to embrace technological change but not so much EVs? Such a fascinating little box of contradictions are we.

I suspect we are like most countries, with forces, beliefs, views pulling us in different directions. Most countries, in times of relative stability, do develop a certain character, a certain way of behaving, certain ideas, that give those countries a certain identity. I think it's also worth noting the global trends to which many countries fall prey. We are at a point now where the left is pretty much dead. Most countries are drifting towards the right. And I don't mean the Murdoch idea of left, which is laughable. I mean a legit alternative to the corporate forces and ideologies which have dominated far too long. 

[PaulP]

At the risk of creation a furore, and feeling a gentle tap on the shoulder from the trunk of an elephant... I wonder what the % of the respective voting sides would be if you eliminated the racist vote? I bet no-one is surprised that the Qld Yes vote struggled to get close to a third (of the vote)? :o

A question that is tempting to ask, but is for sure a dead end in terms of trying to get a genuine answer.

[Lods]

I bet no-one is surprised that the Qld Yes vote struggled to get close to a third (of the vote)? :o

Is that actually a 'Statist' generalisation.      

[Baggers]

Is that actually a 'Statist' generalisation.      

Sprung!  :-[
Yes, we Statists are known to meet monthly, deep in darkly treed forests, wearing our white dust coats emblazoned with numbers praying to the gods, Divisionist, Plus, Multiply and Minus. The great god's name, Graph, is only whispered, with bowed heads.

[tonyo]

Sprung!  :-[
Yes, we Statists are known to meet monthly, deep in darkly treed forests, wearing our white dust coats emblazoned with numbers praying to the gods, Divisionist, Plus, Multiply and Minus. The great god's name, Graph, is only whispered, with bowed heads.

Graph is but one of the minor supreme beings.  The true messiah is Correlation.......