AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

[kruddler]

Isn't it both though in picking a team to win?
In picking a team to win one of the key aspects would be to emphasise your strengths, but also minimise the effectiveness of their key players.

A team would struggle to beat us if they didn't put time into negating the effect of players such as Cripps and Curnow.
If we didn't pay attention to their key movers an opposition side would do some damage.

It has to be a balance.
It's why one side and strategy won't fit every situation and the selection of a side will be 'horses for courses' in terms of all positions.

Yes, of course it's balance, but the original point was, ours was all over the shop and we went away from that balance at the selection table.

We fielding a team unlike what had got us there and we lost our balance at the selection table because we were too focussed on the beating them.

[Lods]

Yes, of course it's balance, but the original point was, ours was all over the shop and we went away from that balance at the selection table.

We fielding a team unlike what had got us there and we lost our balance at the selection table because we were too focussed on the beating them.

We could argue that we lost it at the selection table.

But we could also argue that we lost it because we were banged up (Cripps, Acres Docherty for example) and exhausted.
Most of the selection changes seemed to work or at least not detract dramatically from the team's performance.
We'd played an intense pressure game week after week for a dozen weeks leading into the game.
We ran out of steam playing a rested side on their home ground which has been a bit of fortress for them this season.
Had we maintained that first quarter effort for another quarter the game might well have been out of their reach.

The thing is we're dealing with "what if's" and once a game is over they become "we'll never know's"

[Thryleon]

Yes, of course it's balance, but the original point was, ours was all over the shop and we went away from that balance at the selection table.

We fielding a team unlike what had got us there and we lost our balance at the selection table because we were too focussed on the beating them.

Weird point.  Team balance isn't the reason we lost.  I didn't see too many not selected who would have made any difference at all.  You could argue Kemp but in exchange for who a forward?

[kruddler]

Weird point.  Team balance isn't the reason we lost.  I didn't see too many not selected who would have made any difference at all.  You could argue Kemp but in exchange for who a forward?

I've already gone through the changes i would've made pre-game and post game.

Summary.
We lost run.
We lost what made us get there.
We played into their hands.
Their ruck was never going to win them the game, their smalls were.....and did.

[pinot]

Boyd and Harry were fresh and it showed.
Cincotta and 18 others were off their feet and it showed.

[kruddler]

Boyd and Harry were fresh and it showed.
Cincotta and 18 others were off their feet and it showed.

Pittonet - TDK - Charlie - Harry
They were our 4 talls.
None of them got more than 10 possessions.

They totalled 36 between them.

We played them at the expense of some of our smalls.
Blokes like...
Fogarty*, Cottrell, Cincotta, Motlop all got 8 touches or less (*fogarty subbed out with 7 at 3/4 time or so)
were asked to do too much and needed help.

Not playing Owies and Cuningham, and perhaps choosing Harry (or 2 rucks) over Jack, all contributed to being taller and slower and ultimately not being able to keep up the manic pressure that had worked so well for us previously.

[Thryleon]

Pittonet - TDK - Charlie - Harry
They were our 4 talls.
None of them got more than 10 possessions.

They totalled 36 between them.

We played them at the expense of some of our smalls.
Blokes like...
Fogarty*, Cottrell, Cincotta, Motlop all got 8 touches or less (*fogarty subbed out with 7 at 3/4 time or so)
were asked to do too much and needed help.

Not playing Owies and Cuningham, and perhaps choosing Harry (or 2 rucks) over Jack, all contributed to being taller and slower and ultimately not being able to keep up the manic pressure that had worked so well for us previously.

jack wasn't a factor.  Wasn't fit enough and up for selection.  We subbed fog for Kennedy because fog was having an ordinary day at the office.

Team balance doesn't cost you the way it did.  We had too few that were on and too many off.

[Baggers]

jack wasn't a factor.  Wasn't fit enough and up for selection.  We subbed fog for Kennedy because fog was having an ordinary day at the office.

Team balance doesn't cost you the way it did.  We had too few that were on and too many off.

Yep, 3 Leos. We did bloody well to make it to where we did, considering injuries and that virtually every game since mid year was do-or-die.

[Sub-Zero]

Cuningham was poor over about the last three-four matches. Probably rust on his behalf, even then, that's another factor as to why he should have been dropped.
McKay played very well, he's not to be faulted for trying hard. That selection certainly wasn't a mistake. de Koning and Pittonet had their moments in the finals series to say the least. Curnow, despite his generally woeful finals series, wasn't going to be dropped either.
As stated, JSOS was nowhere near ready to play. The hill was too big a climb to reach against a much more freshened and finals-hardened team.

[Sub-Zero]

Boyd and Harry were fresh and it showed.
Cincotta and 18 others were off their feet and it showed.

Good point. Motlop went missing, as did Fogarty. The game was lost from the second quarter onwards when they got on top around the middle and won the clearances. It must be said and many of us would've noticed this for a while, but we're actually too short, in defence! Young's indifferent season has meant McGovern has played as an undersized KPD. When Kemp was omitted, we were even more one down in a tall down there (of course Kemp isn't really a KPD, but he's more of a third tall than Boyd, not that his selection can be faulted).Their own twin talls in Daniher and Hipwood were given treats by their players.