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Think we are a bit tough on Charlie, he is a major reason we are where we are and achieved the impossible from where we started mid season. The finals footy being played has been tough contested non pretty scrimmage stuff which isnt the formula for kicking a lot of goals or feeding a full forward of Charlies class with opportunities. He gets double teamed a lot and our other forwards should be making more out of that fact and I thought it was a mistake dropping Owies who leads and creates another option which helps Charlie imho.
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09-24-2023, 07:41 AM
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(09-24-2023, 07:33 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:Think we are a bit tough on Charlie, he is a major reason we are where we are and achieved the impossible from where we started mid season. The finals footy being played has been tough contested non pretty scrimmage stuff which isnt the formula for kicking a lot of goals or feeding a full forward of Charlies class with opportunities. He gets double teamed a lot and our other forwards should be making more out of that fact and I thought it was a mistake dropping Owies who leads and creates another option which helps Charlie imho. Yes, it seems a lot of people take my Owies / Motlop mistake comments as bashing Motlop, but it's not about Motlop being poor, it's about what Owies brings that Motlop doesn't, and Charlie and Harry suffer because of it.
The tell was early in the game when we were dominating, and Motlop and Martin were flying against Harry and Charlie instead of crumbing. Owies would have either been front and square, or drawing a defender away from the contest, not taking them to it!
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(09-24-2023, 07:41 AM)LP link Wrote:Yes, it seems a lot of people take my Owies / Motlop mistake comments as bashing Motlop, but it's not about Motlop being poor, it's about what Owies brings that Motlop doesn't, and Charlie and Harry suffer because of it.
The tell was early in the game when we were dominating, and Motlop and Martin were flying against Harry and Charlie instead of crumbing. Owies would have either been front and square, or drawing a defender away form the contest not taking them to it! Owies plays taller and is a good leadup option and makes defenders accountable plus he is a good kick for goal and tackles like a demon. My point is that I think Owies being in the team works better for Charlie, he may not be the most talented player and have his limitations but as a cog on the forward line I think he supplies a bit of oil to the engine that makes it work smoother for Charlie.
Bit like Brisbane with McCarthy and Collingwood with McCreery, Melbourne with Melksham...not big names but things just work better when they are in the team....
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(09-24-2023, 07:51 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:My point is that I think Owies being in the team works better for Charlie, he may not be the most talented player and have his limitations but as a cog on the forward line I think he supplies a bit of oil to the engine that makes it work smoother for Charlie. Fans have short memories, they make a big deal about Charlie marking in D50, and Martin as well, but Owies was deep running pretty much the whole season and regularly, starting as our small forward, was found next to Weiters or McGovern deep in D50 when teams tried to run off our forwards and Mids. That gut based effort wins you games, not the flash stuff that catches fans eyes!
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(09-24-2023, 07:55 AM)LP link Wrote:Fans have short memories, they make a big deal about Charlie marking in D50, and Martin as well, but Owies was deep running pretty much the whole season and regularly, starting as our small forward, was found next to Weiters or McGovern deep in D50 when teams tried to run off our forwards and Mids. That gut based effort wins you games, not the flash stuff that catches fans eyes! Agree... the players I mentioned in McCarthy, McCreery and Melksham all share that same work ethic you dont associate with a lot of forwards and Owies has that same approach. McKenna and Coleman really hurt us running loose from half back and we needed a bit more discipline from our forwards to prevent that.
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(09-24-2023, 08:03 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:McKenna and Coleman really hurt us running loose from half back and we needed a bit more discipline from our forwards to prevent that. Every time I saw the Irishman running loose I thought about that MC decision, he was basically left unchecked.
Not sure Owies could have gone with him for 4-qtrs, but he wouldn't have got his way so freely.
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(09-24-2023, 06:51 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Over the three finals
Walsh
Weiters
Doc
TDK
Newmy
Gov
Add Boyd (surprisingly to me) yesterday. How could I forget Sherrif and Cotters.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
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(09-24-2023, 07:41 AM)LP link Wrote:Yes, it seems a lot of people take my Owies / Motlop mistake comments as bashing Motlop, but it's not about Motlop being poor, it's about what Owies brings that Motlop doesn't, and Charlie and Harry suffer because of it.
The tell was early in the game when we were dominating, and Motlop and Martin were flying against Harry and Charlie instead of crumbing. Owies would have either been front and square, or drawing a defender away from the contest, not taking them to it!
LP. it raises the question: why were they flying for the mark against Harry and Charlie? In the early matches of a season it is perhaps understandable, but at the end of the season it's just not on. When it happened yesterday it looked as though Motlop and Martin had no idea of their roles on the forward line, hence my remark in an earlier posting about the lack of direction from the forward coach.
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I questioned Marchbank over Kemp v Lions. Marchbank fumbled early on but improved across the 3 finals. Kemp held his own extremely well given the number of games he's played.
McG was another who grew into the series. Until he got pummelled last night that is ? (looked dangerous and he clearly suffered significantly)
Our wingers, led by the Sheriff, played important roles.
The real surprise for me was Boyd. He has improved as he's got more games, which is terrific. What I didn't expect was an almost faultless performance in a preliminary final. Given he's only played how many games for us?
How amazing to have 27 players in the finals series. Great result for the club ??
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(09-24-2023, 09:30 AM)LoveNavy date Wrote:I questioned Marchbank over Kemp v Lions. Marchbank fumbled early on but improved across the 3 finals. Kemp held his own extremely well given the number of games he's played.
The real surprise for me was Boyd. He has improved as he's got more games, which is terrific. What I didn't expect was an almost faultless performance in a preliminary final. Given he's only played how many games for us? Boyd could turn into a Sinclair/Coleman/Daniel type, and that is a clear missing piece to our defensive run. Throw in Williams as well and the run out of our backline will certainly improve.
That's the key to unlocking the Charlie and Harry double-headed mosnter - get the ball in deep and fast for lots on one-on-ones.
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?
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