General Discussions

[Thryleon]

So are you asserting that somehow the saving$ justify the crime?

There are many legitimate ways QANTAS could have raised funds to survive COVID, helped by politicians if necessary, without stooping to theft!

PS; Have QANTAS just "survived" the pandemic, didn't it announce a huge profit recently off the back of slashing thousands of workers due to pandemic duress?

no, what Im asserting is that when there is a financial incentive to go soft, they will because ultimately, there is no gain in having to take money off Qantas, and by extension its shareholders.

When Qantas shares are propping up the super funds, that means better pension outcomes for people on managed super funds.  Make them pay back covid payments, means costing jobs, means potentially sinking the last "Australian" international airline, means those costs get pushed back onto future travellers, means sinking share prices, means sinking super funds, means more penisoners means less money in government coffers, and ultimately a poorer quality of life all around.

I live in reality.  If the cost of doing something outweighs the benefit in doing so, why do it?

Because morally or legally thats the right thing to do?


What Im saying is prepare for the wet lettuce leaf!

[LP]

I live in reality.  If the cost of doing something outweighs the benefit in doing so, why do it?

Because morally or legally thats the right thing to do?

The public already think of politicians a crooked, you have been a very loud exponent of as much during the pandemic.

In that context and inclusive of executives, how can you rationalise a circumstance that says if you do enough public good($$$) we'll ignore, forget or forgive your crime?

If the world took that perspective of "reality" it would artificially create a circumstance that is open to crooks and charlatans to manipulate in their favour without consequence. They could take their "bonus" as long as they generate billion$ in the process all will be forgiven, isn't that Putin, Trump, Xi or Bolsonaro?

Alan Joyce is not Robin Hood, his organisation has been ripping off the little people to give to the wealthy, and making many more everyday types redundant in the process, many of those most badly hurt will have little or no direct or indirect stock in QANTAS.

[DJC]

Joyce has timed his departure very well and will be somewhere else when the sh1t hits the fan. 

QANTAS will be hit very hard for their fraudulent behaviour.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Super funds make their money out of the Miners and Big banks....Qantas are small fry in terms of profits and dividends and wouldnt feature in the top 20 holdings of most super funds and if they did would be at a small weighting.
Qantas havent paid a dividend for 4 years.....
The Government couldnt allow Qatar Airlines to access to internal Aus routes and feck up the status quo and hit the Qantas bottom line straight after CoVid. If Albanese had presided over the demise of Qantas profits causing job losses and possible loss of the iconic Aus Airline as we know it he would have been hung, drawn and quartered so I get he why he refused competition for Qantas and protected jobs etc at the expense of higher air fares for the public . The case of selling airfares for cancelled flights is another issue and imho a management issue rather than an airline issue. Joyce and those at the top making those decisions need fining individually rather than punishing the airline as a whole and having it crippled with what looks like a fine around 300-600 million.
The previous highest fine for corporate skullduggery in Aus was around $125 million for the morally bankrupt Volkswagen Group so the ACCC are really wanting to go hard at Qantas and I cant see the company being able to continue in its present form if it cops a fine of that nature which will in turn affect tourism and airline travel in Aus imo.

[LP]

Joyce has timed his departure very well and will be somewhere else when the sh1t hits the fan. 

QANTAS will be hit very hard for their fraudulent behaviour.

So it begins, and the morons in the media are celebrating Joyce's early departure like it's a punishment! :o

It's like giving the kid who started all the shizen a hall pass before you line the rest up for cuts!

[LP]

I see Landcruiser 70s are going all electric with some 200 on order for use in and around mining sites across Australia.

It won't be long before this filters down into surrounding towns as mining companies start to pop up charging points here and there.

This is sure to cause some gnashing of teeth around the traps!

[Gointocarlton]

I see Landcruiser 70s are going all electric with some 200 on order for use in and around mining sites across Australia.

It won't be long before this filters down into surrounding towns as mining companies start to pop up charging points here and there.

This is sure to cause some gnashing of teeth around the traps!

I hope the vehicles are all IS.

[kruddler]

I see Landcruiser 70s are going all electric with some 200 on order for use in and around mining sites across Australia.

It won't be long before this filters down into surrounding towns as mining companies start to pop up charging points here and there.

This is sure to cause some gnashing of teeth around the traps!

Wasn't this talked about 12 months ago?

Supposedly 70-100 on order for the mines IIRC. Didn't think this was new news.

[LP]

Wasn't this talked about 12 months ago?

Supposedly 70-100 on order for the mines IIRC. Didn't think this was new news.

I thought the 70s going all electric was a new development, I think we talked about Toorak tractors in the past.

[kruddler]

I thought the 70s going all electric was a new development, I think we talked about Toorak tractors in the past.

Well maybe i read it elsewhere, but i thought it was discussed on here.