AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

[PaulP]

This isn't really the place to be discussing it, but a definite no to Bontempelli. His class and skill is obvious, but we need to stay away from those types of deals. We've seen in recent times a greater spread of contributions from the er..... lesser lights, and we need more of that. We have enough mega deal players as it is.

[northernblue]

didn’t like that honest insight from Voss thought it wasn’t needed. What did that achieve other then make the kid who has struggled to see any faith shown from Voss being started as a sub countless times feel like he is still very much on the outer. He even cracked the joke they would rip the stands down if we subbed him so he couldn’t do it.

I would have preferred Voss to use that game to generate as much confidence for Dow from it as possible with no negatives but instead now feels like not much has changed.

Obvious Voss is still not a fan and Dow will be delisted at seasons end which as a depth mid on min contract I would be happy to retain him but don’t see it happening.

Disagree.
Voss is acknowledging the public opinion.
Dow is almost at cult status now as “The bloke who’s knocked the door down to get a game”
I think Cripps pulling him into the presser after the game was a recognition of that and good leadership to give some limelight to a role player who at the end of the day had lifted his game and helped get us over the line.

[DJC]

If anything i think Hewitt is the weakest link in the Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Kennedy and Hewitt midfield rotations.
That doesn't mean he can't play, but that the others simply offer more.

I disagree.  Hewett is an accomplished run with player who can nullify an opponent while still getting plenty of the ball.

Our midfielders have different but complementary skill sets and it’s their collective abilities that overcome the opposition midfield.  That collective is not as effective without Hewett.

[madbluboy]

Can't see Cerra or Walsh being risked against the Suns if we secure a finals birth this week. Kennedy won't be available till finals if at all. Dow is very much required at the moment.

[Gointocarlton]

Word on the street is that Dow is happy playing for us whether thats AFL or VFL. Supposedly has other interests in life so may Footy is  not the end all and be all for him.

[LP]

Our midfielders have different but complementary skill sets and it’s their collective abilities that overcome the opposition midfield.  That collective is not as effective without Hewett.

Yes, 100% agree, fans tend to be a bit myopic and anything other than 100% agreement with their perspective / assessment of what is good is a certain sign of weakness.

Even this week after the post match presser were Voss outlined how players compliment each other, we still have some arguing for one against the other, it's clear the fans don't get it, they want one pick and they think their pick is the only correct pick.

Fans seem to forget football is a team sport, the whole can be greater than the sum of the individuals provided the individuals are prepared to sacrifice to make those around them better. A great player who won't sacrifice can actually be detrimental to the team.

[kruddler]

I disagree.  Hewett is an accomplished run with player who can nullify an opponent while still getting plenty of the ball.

Our midfielders have different but complementary skill sets and it’s their collective abilities that overcome the opposition midfield.  That collective is not as effective without Hewett.

You disagree, sure, but you only say what Hewitt offers.

I'm not disputing any of that.

However, if the game was there to be won, would your negating player win it for you?

I find it far more likely that Kennedy would be one to....
Get a clearance.
Take a strong contested grab.
Kick a goal.

Again, nothing against Hewitt, i like him, but i think Kennedy offers more. Very strong at the contest, great hands and kick at goal for his size. I've said it before, but i'd like to see him used in a medium forward role in a similar fashion to Silvagni. He can lead, mark and kick a goal, plus he's good on the ground.

[ElwoodBlues1]

$1.5 Million as his first year sign on fee - five year deal $5.25 million which takes him to 33 yrs of age. Would he get us across the line for two premierships in that time, I think, yes he would. We would have to cough up at least two first rounders to the Dogs and probably sweeteners and pick swaps. You would first put it to his manager, then if he was open to it, table it with the Dogs. They are on the way down potentially with a new coach, and which of these clubs in most likely to grab two cups in his remaining playing career? That would probably now be Carlton.

They would never trade Bont and he wouldnt leave the Whitten oval, he is rusted on there as a legend and probably their greatest player along with Teddy Whitten sr.

[Professer E]

Then WTF are we chasing Gresham on serious coin?  No more massive deals for less than top shelf players, we've carried such types for a long time already.

I was warming to picking up Gresham, but certainly not on big coin and quite frankly, he's not durable and he's another who doesn't do enough often enough.

[DJC]

Then WTF are we chasing Gresham on serious coin?  No more massive deals for less than top shelf players, we've carried such types for a long time already.

I was warming to picking up Gresham, but certainly not on big coin and quite frankly, he's not durable and he's another who doesn't do enough often enough.

Are we chasing Gresham or is it just idle speculation by football commentators with time on their hands and audiences to titillate?