The rise.... and RISE of Marc Pittonet

[Thryleon]

Sample size is too small to assert anything of value here really.

Pittonet has played 45 games for Carlton in 4 seasons.

Tdk has played 50 over the journey.

Given both of them have likely been in the same team about half that, then it means the team hasn't really adjusted to having both in the same team because it seems to happen once every few weeks only.

[kruddler]

But you've just made an argument against your own assertion that SoJ or Young stay on the ground, they aren't faster than TDK even when fresh!

By the way, you've been a bit liberal with the stats, because season 2023 Pitto averages 68% game time from 11 games, and TDK averages 76% game time from 9 games.

If anybody is wasting bench time, it's Pitto! :o

Liberal with the stats? If i was you, i'd stay away from statistics, its not your strong point.

Have you taken into account how much game time changes when they ruck solo (like i've been suggesting) vs when they ruck in tandem?
Have you looked at how much game time Pittonet got in round 5 (i think) and why that was the case?

[LP]

SOJ/Young are ALREADY on the ground. They are there INSTEAD OF TDK.

You need to let it go, SoJ and Young won't be there, they are surplus to the requirements of the club and trying to create them a ruck role to justify selection in a F50 or D50 pocket is the error.

We looked better, faster, harder to play against without them, and we nullified the outright leader for 2023 AA ruck in the process.

It doesn't matter who rucks, SoJ and Young are not viable options, they aren't up to it, and they are not in any sort of reasonable form in their other positions.

When we spread their role further we are degrading that roles, and we are not improving their form line in their true positions.

[LP]

Have you looked at how much game time Pittonet got in round 5 (i think) and why that was the case?

You can't have it both ways, in one context you have argued TDK isn't worth money because he's not durable / reliable, you can't argue that durability and reliability doesn't matter for Pitto when it comes to accounting for game time!

It all matters, you can't pick and choose!

[kruddler]

You need to let it go, SoJ and Young won't be there, they are surplus to the requirements of the club and trying to create them a ruck role to justify selection in a F50 or D50 pocket is the error.

It doesn't matter who rucks, SoJ and Young are not viable options, they aren't up to it, and they are not in any sort of reasonable form in their other positions.

When we spread their role further we are degrading that roles, and we are not improving their form line in their true positions.

Nobody is suggesting they are genuine rucks.

I'm suggesting that Corey Durdin could play 2nd ruck and the team would be in no worse shape (over the entire game) for those 20 minutes he does as the benefit of having an extra small throughout the match offers the team much more.

In case you missed the take home point, the chance of us getting a clearance with Pittonet vs with TDK decreases by 14%. So TDK ain't a great ruck as it is. Putting a part timer in there isn't going to get much worse.
But since 98% of the game is played outside of a ruck contest, i'd much prefer we focus on winning THAT then breaking even in half of the remaining 2%.

[Lods]

Sample size is too small to assert anything of value here really.

Pittonet has played 45 games for Carlton in 4 seasons.

Tdk has played 50 over the journey.

Given both of them have likely been in the same team about half that, then it means the team hasn't really adjusted to having both in the same team because it seems to happen once every few weeks only.

About half is right...around the 20 game mark together.

[LP]

But since 98% of the game is played outside of a ruck contest, i'd much prefer we focus on winning THAT then breaking even in half of the remaining 2%.

TDK contributes in a good chunk of the 98% around the ground, Pitto not so much, Pitto is mostly a 2% man!

[kruddler]

You can't have it both ways, in one context you have argued TDK isn't worth money because he's not durable / reliable, you can't argue that durability and reliability doesn't matter for Pitto when it comes to accounting for game time!

It all matters, you can't pick and choose!

Now you are putting words into my mouth.

TDKs worth has nothing to do with durability, its got to do with output. This whole debate is about output. Both from the individual and from the team. TDK output doesn't justify him a position in OUR side.
I'd happily pick him up if i was another club though, because he can offer other clubs something.
BUT, we do not require him in our best 22.

[LP]

TDKs worth has nothing to do with durability, its got to do with output. This whole debate is about output. Both from the individual and from the team. TDK output doesn't justify him a position in OUR side.

Isn't ToG yet another measure of output?

TDK 76%
Pitto 68%

[kruddler]

TDK contributes in a good chunk of the 98% around the ground, Pitto not so much, Pitto is mostly a 2% man!

Are the fallacy of how much TDK helps around the ground (with some pathetic attempt at point scoring in a childish manner)

Let me bust some myths for you...
Disposals (2023)
Pittonet averages 10 possessions a game*
TDK averages 11 possessions a game

*and this includes a game where he got injured in the first quarter where he only played 14% game time...which is why his average game time is lower than TDK.....not that you knew that by previous posts.

Clearances (2023)
Pit - 3
TDK - 2.5

Clangers (2023)
Pit - 2.8
TDK - 3.9

Marks (2023)
Pit - 1.8
TDK - 3

Should i continue?

Lucky TDK dominates all over the ground, unlike Pittonet who is useless by comparison.

All hail the king? lol