AFL Rd 15 2023 Carlton have the bye!

[Gointocarlton]

[member=906]Lods[/member] dont want to harp on about this but I was reminded of another example. Tour de France, 3500km over 3 weeks all at a fair clip with some of the meanest roaded mountains on the planet along the way. What do the riders do on their day off? Spin the legs over 100km for shits and giggles.

[Lods]

[member=906]Lods[/member] dont want to harp on about this but I was reminded of another example. Tour de France, 3500km over 3 weeks all at a fair clip with some of the meanest roaded mountains on the planet along the way. What do the riders do on their day off? Spin the legs over 100km for craps and giggles.

Is that right...
I haven't really followed the race
I wasn't sure of their activity during the break in the tour.
Is it everyone doing that extra cycle?
Is it an organised activity?
I'm guessing it's not a full on effort but more just keeping the legs turning over at a much reduced intensity.

But consider professional cyclists would be training for most of the year.
The Tour would be the same as their Olympics/world championship/ Commonwealth Games
For the elite, the ones with a good chance of winning, those events would be targeted so they reach their peak at the time of the competition.
During that annual training period there would be peaks and troughs of intensity.
They wouldn't be training flat out for that entire 12 month period.
I suspect for cyclists they may even have some weeks, even at the elite level, where they don't even sit on a bike and have a complete break...much like a footballer has his end of season break.

The more intense activity would be well away from the 'ultimate' event.
For a footballer that's the pre-season.
That's where you build a base.
With a 'competition' every week for the 20+ weeks of the season it then becomes more about maintenance during the season.
There may be a heavy block of training at different times through the season proper but it's more about maintaining fitness levels.

But there are other factors at play at the elite level, no matter what the sport.
The mental and injury issues.
Mental fatigue and niggling injuries can both benefit from that break in competition where a rest is probably the best option.

It's quite remakable the failure of some teams to 'get up' after the bye.
You can make a case that the 'switch off' is detrimental.
On the other hand the benefit of the break may not manifest itself until a few weeks after the bye.
Better to lose a game just after the bye, than to lose two or three heading into the finals.
Of course there are teams that can't afford to lose any...as we know.

[Gointocarlton]

Is that right...
I haven't really followed the race
I wasn't sure of their activity during the break in the tour.
Is it everyone doing that extra cycle?
Is it an organised activity?
I'm guessing it's not a full on effort but more just keeping the legs turning over at a much reduced intensity.

But consider professional cyclists would be training for most of the year.
The Tour would be the same as their Olympics/world championship/ Commonwealth Games
For the elite, the ones with a good chance of winning, those events would be targeted so they reach their peak at the time of the competition.
During that annual training period there would be peaks and troughs of intensity.
They wouldn't be training flat out for that entire 12 month period.
I suspect for cyclists they may even have some weeks, even at the elite level, where they don't even sit on a bike and have a complete break...much like a footballer has his end of season break.

The more intense activity would be well away from the 'ultimate' event.
For a footballer that's the pre-season.
That's where you build a base.
With a 'competition' every week for the 20+ weeks of the season it then becomes more about maintenance during the season.
There may be a heavy block of training at different times through the season proper but it's more about maintaining fitness levels.

But there are other factors at play at the elite level, no matter what the sport.
The mental and injury issues.
Mental fatigue and niggling injuries can both benefit from that break in competition where a rest is probably the best option.

It's quite remakable the failure of some teams to 'get up' after the bye.
You can make a case that the 'switch off' is detrimental.
On the other hand the benefit of the break may not manifest itself until a few weeks after the bye.
Better to lose a game just after the bye, than to lose two or three heading into the finals.
Of course there are teams that can't afford to lose any...as we know.

Just to be clear, I was talking about their rest days during the actual TDF of which there are 2 or 3 I think. Every rider in every team will still turn the legs on a rest day.
As for the bye break, I think there is enough evidence to suggest the "switch off" is detrimental. Our blokes in particular have long been known to "not come to play" at the best of times during the season, I'd hate to think what they will dish up on Sunday after a break sinking piss and getting up to god knows what.

[Lods]

Just to be clear, I was talking about their rest days during the actual TDF of which there are 2 or 3 I think. Every rider in every team will still turn the legs on a rest day.
As for the bye break, I think there is enough evidence to suggest the "switch off" is detrimental. Our blokes in particular have long been known to "not come to play" at the best of times during the season, I'd hate to think what they will dish up on Sunday after a break sinking piss and getting up to god knows what.

The unknown though.... is it a 'short term detriment' at the gain of a 'long term benefit'.
If the players hadn't had the break, would there be signs of wear and tear later in the season.
Why do we have a bye at all if there aren't sound reasons for it.
The fans certainly don't want it.

Does anyone know what each of our players were doing on the break?
I doubt they were all sitting around drinking for three or four days.

The only problem may have been a loss of structure, in that for a couple of days their days weren't dictated by the club.

[Gointocarlton]

The unknown though.... is it a 'short term detriment' at the gain of a 'long term benefit'.
If the players hadn't had the break, would there be signs of wear and tear later in the season.
Why do we have a bye at all if there aren't sound reasons for it.
The fans certainly don't want it.

Does anyone know what each of our players were doing on the break?
I doubt they were all sitting around drinking for three or four days.

The only problem may have been a loss of structure, in that for a couple of days their days weren't dictated by the club.

I guess we'll now the answer on Sunday and in the coming weeks.

[northernblue]

[member=906]Lods[/member] think of the TdF as a blockbuster game during the season, some players will rest up in the leadup to be in peak condition for that 1 game.
Maybe Tennis is a better understood example, you’ve got the Grand Slam tournaments and then a whole host of “warmup and satellite events” that constitute the season.
TdF, Giro Italia, Vuelta de Espania, Paris Roubex, Criterium du Dauphine then a plethora of minor races make up the cycling season.

As G2C says, on off days and even pre/post race warm up/down, the riders turn out enormous numbers

[Lods]

I guess what I'm arguing is the 'more is better" philosophy.

It just results in burnout, mental fatigue and injury if there isn't some down time as well

[Gointocarlton]

I guess what I'm arguing is the 'more is better" philosophy.

It just results in burnout, mental fatigue and injury if there isn't some down time as well

At the end of the day Lods, they came out and won following the break in a game they had to win despite not having a ruckman. Lets hope and pray they go on with it.

[Lods]

At the end of the day Lods, they came out and won following the break in a game they had to win despite not having a ruckman. Lets hope and pray they go on with it.

Yep
I'm still not sure what they all did during the break though.
Whether some took the opportunity for extra sessions or some just had a complete break.
I think it would probably have been a bit varied and individual.

The important thing was they looked like they were back at it early in the week, and looked pretty switched on from the start of the game today.