AFL Rd 15 2023 Carlton have the bye!

[LP]

I agree with that.
Heading off to Bali for a holiday is probably a 'bridge too far'.

It should be attracting the focus of the auditor, because the AFL players could easily go to FNQ, Darwin or WA and would still be almost anonymous.

There must be a reason they so often choose Bali, I suspect they get sweetheart deals from venues owned and operated by mates or former AFL players, there are many many venues in Bali that are part owned or operated by AFL players or retired AFL players!

[Gointocarlton]

I agree with that.
Heading off to Bali for a holiday is probably a 'bridge too far'.

I'm just not sure the more 'hard work' in this period is better than a couple of days away from the club.
Spending a bit of time with family and friends, and then back into it from Monday...is probably not so much of an issue.

I've no idea what the players we're doing last week.
I suspect it would be varied...and players that needed a bit of extra work will probably be getting it.
Others with a niggly injury or two, are probably having a rest.

We employ high quality fitness folks to give us the best guidance on these things.
A heavy training load for all players over a break could be the last thing the players need...but it might benefit some.

I'm talking from a Track and Field experience but the basic principles would be pretty similar for football.
Any training has two main components-
The workout followed by a period of rest and recovery.
Ideal training programs also comprise periods of high intensity and low intensity.
And it's not just the body that requires that rest and recovery, there's also the mind that needs that 'down time'...and sometimes the signs of that are pretty easy to spot...players getting frustrated by a practice that is not producing results.

So we don't know for sure what individual players have done over the last week, or what they'll be doing the next week...but hopefully it's been tailored on an individual basis.

The week after the bye is always a bit of a tricky time to navigate.
If we come out flat against Hawthorn it won't be because we didn't bust a gut in the off period.
The problem will be caused by the fact that after a good performance, the 'bye' came at an unfortunate time for continuity.

The majority of the hard training work would have been done pre-season.
During the actual playing period it would be more about maintenance.
But there would probably also be a few blocks of heavy sessions within that period.
It's why you may sometimes see teams have a flat couple of weeks while the heavy training period is occurring.
It may not be as noticeable as it was in years past (the old mid-season slump) because they probably individualise the programs so different players are being 'loaded' at different times.
In that case we're more likely to see an individual have a couple of off weeks.

The 'bye' is all about giving the players that mental and physical break in a long season.
If it's not used largely for that purpose, we should just keep playing.

I get the benefits of the break, I'm just saying what I think I would do as a leader to try and extract every ounce. I guess it would depend on the group, their health (physical and mental) and their reaction to "extras" if it were put to them. It would be an interesting exercise nonetheless. As Cripps said in his HS interview, there are all types at the club, structured/unstructured, positive/negative, energy givers/energy drainers. Managing/Leading that is a hell of a task.

[Lods]

I get the benefits of the break, I'm just saying what I think I would do as a leader to try and extract every ounce. I guess it would depend on the group, their health (physical and mental) and their reaction to "extras" if it were put to them. It would be an interesting exercise nonetheless. As Cripps said in his HS interview, there are all types at the club, structured/unstructured, positive/negative, energy givers/energy drainers. Managing/Leading that is a hell of a task.

I actually think that's probably the key.
There is a diversity of players amongst the group.
There are probably players who given the opportunity to have a break would choose to do 'extras'.
Sometimes that's the difference between the champion, and one who never really get's the best out of themselves.
It's probably something you have to carefully manage because for everyone of those guys, there's probably someone else, who is feeling a bit broken because of some extra demands, and is 'crawling' towards a break.

[Thryleon]

It should be attracting the focus of the auditor, because the AFL players could easily go to FNQ, Darwin or WA and would still be almost anonymous.

There must be a reason they so often choose Bali, I suspect they get sweetheart deals from venues owned and operated by mates or former AFL players, there are many many venues in Bali that are part owned or operated by AFL players or retired AFL players!

Mate, it's not that big a mystery.  Bali is a better place to go party than most of the places you mention, where you can actually swim in the sea and stay at luxury accommodation on a beer budget.  Have you stayed at Australia's champagne hotels?  They're a world away from what you get staying in some of these places that are at worst competitive price wise.

[kruddler]

It should be attracting the focus of the auditor, because the AFL players could easily go to FNQ, Darwin or WA and would still be almost anonymous.

There must be a reason they so often choose Bali, I suspect they get sweetheart deals from venues owned and operated by mates or former AFL players, there are many many venues in Bali that are part owned or operated by AFL players or retired AFL players!

Bali costs you nothing, but gets you everything. Auditors not required.

Why do they choose bali? Why does anyone? It seems to be the aussie thing to do. (PS, i've never been to Bali and have no intention of ever going, but i understand why people do).

[Lods]

It's probably the last place you'd go for a mid-season trip if you were a fair dinkum professional.
End of season... a different story  

[Gointocarlton]

I read with interest that the skipper of the 2s Crocker didn't have the week off, instead lined up for Langwarrin in the MPFNL.

[Lods]

I read with interest that the skipper of the 2s Crocker didn't have the week off, instead lined up for Langwarrin in the MPFNL.

Yep
The VFL players get a few extra breaks during the season ( 4 byes) and many of the non- AFL listed players are tied to local clubs.
For a lot of them it's as good as a break to go back and play locally because you can have a bit of a "kick and giggle" with your mates.
You can choose to have the week off or go and have a game with a bit less pressure.

I suspect it's something some AFL listed players would do too....but the club just wouldn't allow it.
There'd be hell to pay if Charlie Curnow did a knee playing for the Bullamakanka reserves during 'bye' week.

On the other hand we had our AFL and VFL sides both with a break last week.
Had the VFL side been playing it's pretty certain it would have been filled with AFL listed guys who needed a bit of extra work, including some who played seniors against the Suns.
Dow for one would probably have been on the team bus, given his limited game time in recent weeks.

[Gointocarlton]

Yep
The VFL players get a few extra breaks during the season ( 4 byes) and many of the non- AFL listed players are tied to local clubs.
For a lot of them it's as good as a break to go back and play locally because you can have a bit of a "kick and giggle" with your mates.
You can choose to have the week off or go and have a game with a bit less pressure.

I suspect it's something some AFL listed players would do too....but the club just wouldn't allow it.
There'd be hell to pay if Charlie Curnow did a knee playing for the Bullamakanka reserves during 'bye' week.

On the other hand we had our AFL and VFL sides both with a break last week.
Had the VFL side been playing it's pretty certain it would have been filled with AFL listed guys who needed a bit of extra work, including some who played seniors against the Suns.
Dow for one would probably have been on the team bus, given his limited game time in recent weeks.

Not suggesting for a second senior players play bush footy instead of having a break, just saying some blokes have a good attitude, Crock was abit ordinary for a few weeks then found a bit of form before the bye. I guess he didnt want to lose any touch so...

[ElwoodBlues1]

Not suggesting for a second senior players play bush footy instead of having a break, just saying some blokes have a good attitude, Crock was abit ordinary for a few weeks then found a bit of form before the bye. I guess he didnt want to lose any touch so...

Think he might have a business connection with one of Langs sponsors..might have played a few games with Port Colts too who get a few ex AFL players on their list.