AFL Rd 12 Post Game Passing Carlton vs Melbourne

[LP]

I watched some bits and pieces again this morning, it's quite bizarre how flat we look, like we are resigned to defeat before we even roll on the park. You could describe it as a malaise!

I just don't get it, what goes on behind closed doors to cause such a mindset, I find it hard to believe this is the result of doings from a coach or any number of coaches?

I've seen this before, our AFL team has had it in different seasons under different coaches, and I've seen it in our AFLW side as well, a disconnected look like our club is poison and nobody wants to be there.

It persists beyond however many times the coach and list has been turned over, so this isn't coming from coaches or players.

Are we the fans at fault, are we not good enough, if not then what persists at Carlton to create this persistently toxic environment?

Is the kyboshing of Matheison the start of change?

[LoveNavy]

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Re: q4 i50 entries kicking directly to opposition

Another example of opportunities lost!
How many different ways can one club find ways to lose? We must hold the record for sure.

[Gointocarlton]

Have a listen to Sellers and Hodge on SEN now measured and spot on.
If your too late, try and listen to them on the replay of the show.
Hodge talked about:
- injuries to certain players meant others were played out of position (Williams - Doc, Ruck- SOS).
- composure and work rate isn't there yet despite last years start.
- Player issues not coaching, list doesn't needing "blowing up" though.

Sellers (was as measured as I have ever heard him about Carlton)
- spoke about expectation being premature/unrealistic
- spoke about work rate and being selfless and team orientated.

it was bloody good radio analysis.

[PaulP]

I suspect focussing on the football department is tip of the iceberg stuff, and those mostly invisible men at the top of the tree have more power and influence than we can see.

[Gointocarlton]

Re: q4 i50 entries kicking directly to opposition

Another example of opportunities lost!
How many different ways can one club players find ways to lose? We must hold the record for sure.

[LP]

It's quite bizarre across forums, fans bagging McGovern who was probably among our best, complaining about randomly dropped marks and poor disposal in greasy conditions, ..................... I suppose they wish we'd gone hard for Jones! :o

It seems when it comes to footy fans the old political mantra is best, do nothing and you can't be blamed for any mistakes!

It just shows how irrational fans can be, they are worried about the players getting involved in play and being imperfect and are largely oblivious to those who are missing in action!

There are even fans bagging Acres today for being ineffective on the wing, implying that we'd be better off with SoJ, SoJ the player who limped off at 1/2-time with 3 or 4 touches in a half, that's purely a case of mindless idolatry!

I gather it's uncomfortable for some to critique the ones they love, we I suppose that goes for all of us, but it doesn't make us right no matter how loud we become!

[madbluboy]

Cripps was a liability out there, couldn't run at all and should not have played.

[kruddler]

Cripps was a liability out there, couldn't run at all and should not have played.

Couldn't have picked that would be the case....
Oh wait.  :

[LP]

Cripps was a liability out there, couldn't run at all and should not have played.

Why do fans think some of us have been calling for him to step back, do they think it's because we hate him?

We are breaking this bloke.

He's an A-Grade AFL Midfielder, still the best of our best, but we are running him into the dirt and he's willing to do himself harm for the benefit of the team and club, but it might not be to our benefit in the long term! He needs time off, for himself and for the club, he needs to understand the basic rules of Game Theory, that the best outcome is obtained by "Doing what is right for yourself and the group!"

The smart move last night was to rest Cripps and if we bring in SoJ then play SoJ as a tall Mid, make the stoppage clearances 100% harder for the Dees by having bodies that can dump Gawn and Grundy and not be shoved aside by Petracca. Instead we ran Cripps into the ground, and moved SoJ one step closer to the end of his career!

Positives, at least we are starting to see what Kemp is capable of, he needs to get out of D50 next and become part of the on ball or perhaps even a wing rotation.

[madbluboy]

madbluboy, Kuddler and LP all agreeing wow.