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(05-27-2023, 12:33 AM)LordLucifer link Wrote:6.15 & one OOF !!!!
FMD, you are never going to win any games when you kick like that.
This is not THE issue but its one of them.
We can't keep sacking coaches so let Voss stay till the end of his contract (2024) and if things haven't turned around THEN show him the door.
Seriously scrutinise the assistant coaches, clearly Voss needs some better help around him and FFS, can we bring in a specialist kicking coach ??
As for the players, many Blues fans have looked at way too many of them through their navy blue goggles and think they are all Brownlow medallists. I'm here to tell you, as I have been for far too friggen' long, they aren't.
We can't afford another 'ground zero' rebuild but we can pick off the low-hanging fruit as there is too many of them that fit into that category. Be extremely judicious with the playing list, no "maybes" or "hope-so's". They are either competent & capable or they aren't, if they aren't, they get the boot !!
Go to the draft & the penal leagues and get some guys with some aggro & grunt, as Brother Elwood would say, no more Von Trapps !!
And lastly, no more stupid long-term contracts. 2 or 3 year deals with options for another 2 or 3 years, we need our players to always be on edge, not complacent in the knowledge they are going to be comfortablely paid for the forseeable future.
Added to that, restructure all player contracts so that they get their base wage (which is somewhat reduced) PLUS an extra amount on top if they win (extra 25% just like they do in the suburban & country leagues) and then watch how desperate the players become. Some natural leaders will emerge from this structure too as they will be pointing the finger at the malingerers who are atually costing them money.
Build in other incentives like number of goals kicked, number of tackles laid etc, the more you do on the field the more you get paid, it's not that hard to work out and I'm 100% certain it will yield serious results.
These guys hold some trade collateral and we must extract maximum trade value for them even though all clubs will be somewhat bullish about them :
TRADE
Tom De Koning
Mitch McGovern
Zac Fisher
Jack Silvagni
Paddy Dow
Jack Carroll
Corey Durdin
If we can get a trade any of these guys then that is terrific, even if it's a late draft pick, it's better than nothing, otherwise, just delist them (i.e. free to a good home) :
DELIST
Lochie O'Brien
Lachie Fogarty
Lachie Plowman
Jack Martin
Caleb Marchbank
David Cuningham
Ed Curnow
Sam Durdin
Dominic Akuei
Josh Honey
Sam Philp No arguments from me Brother Lucifer but I'd be looking at replacing Nic Austin with something more proven and given Hardwick has left the Tigers Id be having a chat with Blair Hartley who has been in this position before with Hardwick who was looking like he was on the skids and trying to entice him over as the List Manager to plot a course forward.
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(05-26-2023, 11:51 PM)Micky0 link Wrote:Who is untouchable? Charlie, Weiters, Walsh, Cerra, Hollands (yes the first year bloke), Cowan (the other first year) Saad, Pitto, at a pinch, Cottrell (yes Cottrell). The rest, including the skipper (yes Patrick you, the reigning Brownlow medallist), Harry (our full fwd), if someone gives us something for decent for the "better" ones, I'd do it. We hang on to blokes, we trust blokes, we pump them up, we make them captain, etc etc etc. We sack coach after coach but some of these guys have seen off 3, 4 even 5 of them. Enough is farken enough. We lost to a team who nearly lost to North if it wasn't for a freak free kick in the dying minutes. Come on guys, ENOUGH. Either that or sack another coach, personally I sort of stopped giving a flying fark about this club a few weeks ago. They are a laughing stock.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
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(05-26-2023, 01:16 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:They went the bomb approach because the Swans had no talls down back...but the expectation was that Harry and Charlie might be able to get some through the big sticks and TDK might be able to make a few stick in his hands but alas no cigar on any of those expectations.
I reckon for the whole night lucky if we took 4-5 contested pack marks by talks. So even if we didn’t miss one it’s still only 4-5 goals against a severely undermanned defence.
Dumb dumb dumb.
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(05-27-2023, 01:12 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Charlie, Weiters, Walsh, Cerra, Hollands (yes the first year bloke), Cowan (the other first year) Saad, Pitto, at a pinch, Cottrell (yes Cottrell). The rest, including the skipper (yes Patrick you, the reigning Brownlow medallist), Harry (our full fwd), if someone gives us something for decent for the "better" ones, I'd do it. We hang on to blokes, we trust blokes, we pump them up, we make them captain, etc etc etc. We sack coach after coach but some of these guys have seen off 3, 4 even 5 of them. Enough is farken enough. We lost to a team who nearly lost to North if it wasn't for a freak free kick in the dying minutes. Come on guys, ENOUGH. Either that or sack another coach, personally I sort of stopped giving a flying fark about this club a few weeks ago. They are a laughing stock.
No Doc?
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(05-27-2023, 01:14 AM)shawny link Wrote:I reckon for the whole night lucky if we took 4-5 contested pack marks by talks. So even if we didn’t miss one it’s still only 4-5 goals against a severely undermanned defence.
Dumb dumb dumb. Week after week, we continue to give opposition defenders record stats, we kick it to them with surgeon like precision.
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2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
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Before we go making wholesale changes to the list, I'd be leaving no stone unturned trying to get the mental aspects sorted out. The Richmond boys have waxed lyrical about Emma Murray, the Tigers current / former? sports psychologist, who they credit as having a big impact on their success.
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How many years and first round picks does this club need.
If we fielded 22 pick 1s we would still lose with five coaches sacked.
Its cultural - loser mentality. Absolutely no will and ruthlessness to win.
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I propose everyone from board to analyst to get in a boxing ring and punch the crap out of each other until the penny drops.
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There is unfortunately no time frame on success, as much as we may want it today, yesterday, 2017 etc. If you examine any block of time (3,4,5,6 seasons etc.) you will see that the same teams are generally near the top, and the same are generally near the bottom. The competition is so even, and all clubs are essentiality doing the same thing, engaged in a kind of football arms race, so breaking into that upper echelon, and staying there long enough to win a flag, is pretty hard. And the longer you're out of that upper echelon, that harder it is to get back in. IMO.
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Looks to me that the players have given up on another coach.
I'd be very interested to see how our entire side would go wearing a different jumper in a different culture, like, say, a Geelong culture. Obviously not possible but is an interesting thought.
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